IRC Archive for channel #xwiki on 18 May 2008

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rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:08): vmassol: good morning; may I bother you with a question about CSS and rtf export?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:36): rrodriguez: morning
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:37): hi! sorry for bothering you, but I am completely lost with the rtf export issue
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:37): It is far from being simple this stuff! At least for me...
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:38): well it either works or it doesn't
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:38): sounds simple
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:38): unless you want to do complex stuff of course :)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:38): I think what I want to do is not complex at all, but I am not able to find the entry point to the issue
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): Something apparently simple as establishing the upper and lower margin for a give heading level
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:39): nice diagram btw
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): thanks! but is it util?
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): :-)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): useful!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:39): yes probably
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): I mean, is it usefel?
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): useful
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:39): sorry
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:39): would need to be validated and put on xwiki.org in the dev guide somewhere
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:40): honestly you know much more than I do about this topic now
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:40): I am ready to modify it/improve it as needed
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:40): oops! then, we are lost!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:40): :-)
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:40): all I know is that the RTF or PDF export calls the ExportAction
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:40): then I would follow what's happening int he code
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:41): but I don't know it offhand
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:41): what it means probably is that we're currently not offering any margin hooks right now
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:41): the code keeps being a black hole for me!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:41): hence the reason it looks complex
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:41): some simple css rules seem to work
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:41): but anything else
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:42): Well, I keep trying!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:42): Thanks!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:46): btw, by Googling I've found this http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/IRC/xwikiArchive20080516
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:46): Are all IRC conversations archived in xwiki.org site?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:46): yes we're archiving the irc logs
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:46): yes whenever the bot is up
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:46): great!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:46): it's called xwikirecbot
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:48): I see it now among the logged "users"
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:50): yep
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:50): Is there an entry to the whole archive anywhere in dev.xwiki.org?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:50): yes
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:50): http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/IRC/
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:51): Thanks, I am there. Pretty new stuff!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:52): re your diagram
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:53): I would add the different exports formats in the diagram: PDF/RTF 
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:53): and I would mention that the request URL so that it shows it's a PDF or RTF export
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:53): Do they follow the same path?
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:54): As far as I understood to Sergiu, the whole process is common until Apache fo deals with the xsl-foo document
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:55): I will upload the original OmniGraffle file to the page holding the diagram.
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:55): yep
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:55): I will modify it following your advice
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:55): they're common till the FOP transformation
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:55): btw it's Apache FOP and not Apache Fo
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:56): Thanks!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:56): you mixed it with xsl-fo ;)-
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:56): I am a complete mess!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:56): :-)
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:57): the diagram could also add some comment to explain more
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:57): Do you know if I could follow any established standard for lines, arrows, boxes,...
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:57): Indeed!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:57): for ex, next to the jtidy box you could explain that it's for cleaning the html so that it's xhtml compliant
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:57): but the problem is that rigth now I get almost nothing by following it!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:57): OK
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:57): well it looks correct
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:58): green boxes represent files
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:58): hmmm
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:58): pdf.vlm is a file
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:58): :-)
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:58): pdf.vm
vmassol - (18/05/2008 11:59): so is pdf.css
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:59): also pdf.css is a...
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:59): but pdf.css "injects" css rules
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 11:59): and this is the main goal: where an user could "inject" css rules to modify the output?
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:00): it seems to me that only pdf.css and PDFTemplate style properties are the entry points for rules
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:00): right now from sergiu's explanation I see only the pdftemplate parameter
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:00): yeap
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:00): pdf.css is not meant to be modified afaik
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:00): unless you override it in your skin maybe
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:01): I don't know if pdt.css exists anywhere
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:01): We have created it and put it in the skin
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:01): ah right
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:01): couldn't find it either
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:02): both pdf.css and style in the pdftemplate seems to accept a rather small set of css rules
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:02): that is my point now: I don't know why/what/how rules could be used there.
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:03): this is the place where pdf.css is used:
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:03): http://rafb.net/p/3tB32O21.html
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:03): sounds easy enough
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:04): Sorry, I am far from being a dev/programmer :-(
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:04): yeap
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:04): this seems clear
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:05): now I have no idea why it wouldn't work
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:05): well, at least "we" find the point :-)
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:05): I guess you could debug before and after applyCSS method
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:06): to see how the document is modified
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:06): from this point onwards it seems that no other "action" must modify the applied style
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:06): do you know how could I get intermediary XHMTL 1 and 2
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:06): as per the proposed diagram?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:07): ah something new for your diagral
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:07): It is urgent that I learn how to checkout, compile, debug XWiki code :-(
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:07): tell me, please
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:08): urgent for me! I mean
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:08): you can put a xhtmlxsl property in your XWiki.PDFClass
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:09): in that case it's applied before the XSL-FO transformation
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:10): actually no
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:10): it replaces the xhtml2fo.xsl file
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:10): ok
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:10): the same applies for fop.xsl (the xsl-fo tx)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:10): So, we have a new "injection" for layout rules, haven't we?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:10): you can have a fopxsl property too
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:10): which if defined, replaces the fop.xsl tx
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:11): OK, this contribute to document the template
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:11): but all this stuff is much complex than css rules
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:11): yes we have 2 new ways to provide user-specific stuff
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:11): it is
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:11): but it allows
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:11): full control
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:11): Indeed!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:11): on the generated PDF or RTF
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:11): this is simply great
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:12): but, don't you think that "we" must to discover why css rules don't apply correctly?
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:12): rules coming with pdf.css and style property in pdftemplate
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:13): yes that's why I was suggesting debugging
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:13): before and after the applyCSS method
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:13): yeah, my only problem is that I don't know how to do that now :-(
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:14): moving to dec.xwiki.org inmediatly! :-)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:14): dev
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:14): http://dev.xwiki.org
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:14): yep
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:14): :)
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:14): we'll make a xwiki developer out of  you ! :)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:14): Thank you so much!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:14): :-) :-)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:14): I am truly looking for this! But night is not long enough! :-)
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:16): OK, the problem is "clear" now. But I do need to find an alternative to the control of some simple characteristics in exported rtf files
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:17): I need to deliver a report within these coming two or three days, and export to rtf controlling images sizes, <p> fonts style and space before and after headings are the keys.
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:19): that should be easy
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:19): Of course I can modify this characteristics by hand, but this won't be nice to try to justify this need :-(
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:19): it should! But I don't find how to do that.
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:19): injecting the right css should do the trick
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:20): barring any css4j bug since sergiu seemed to consider it was buggy or limited
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:20): It seems it doesn't. For instance, we can control image width, but length seems not affected
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:20): css4j seems to be the problem
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:20): actually I don't see any css4j in the applyCSS ethod
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:20): method
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:21): ah sorry
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:21): it's there
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:21): I've been trying to go deep into css4j, but once again is kind of Sanskrit for me right now!
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:23): did you check the xhtml doc before applying the css and after applying it?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:23): that's what I would do
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:23): got to go now, lunch time
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:23): enjoy!
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:24): checking xhtml doc does imply debugging, doesn't it?
vmassol - (18/05/2008 12:28): you could put debug logs in the source code but you'll need to rebuild from sources of course
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:29): ok, thanks. Clearly I've to face this build issue if I want to help here.
rrodriguez - (18/05/2008 12:31): it will be great to solve these image size and margins issues before that occurs, but I can solve the urgent manually if we don't find any alternative. No nice, but possible. Thanks for your time!
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