IRC Archive for channel #xwiki on 08 October 2008

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vmassol - (08/10/2008 16:03): guys/lads, do you agree that we need an inline parser for the new rendering, see http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-2748 (please comment in it if you have any comment)
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asiri - (08/10/2008 17:45): Hi Artem :)
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:45): hi asiri 
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:45): hi, asiri
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:45): asiri: imagine we have JCR implemented
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:45): ok,
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:45): and we can use Exo's JCR
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:45): I'm not sure all webdav features will work on jcr without your work
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:46): then what code do we need to write to support wbedav?
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vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:46): all our docs are in JCR, including attachements, etc
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:46): since Exo supports webdav
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:46): it can be access through all dav clients
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:46): in that case to expose a jcr repository via webdav, i think there should be existing implementations (since this is common) ...
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:46): I think current webdav will work fine on jcr too
ludobot - (08/10/2008 17:47): vmassol: it can be access through all dav clients
ludobot - (08/10/2008 17:47): asiri: in that case to expose a jcr repository via webdav, i think there should be existing implementations (since this is common) ...
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ludobot - (08/10/2008 17:47): amelentev1: I think current webdav will work fine on jcr too
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:47): ludobot: please stay quite ;)
ludobot - (08/10/2008 17:47): vmassol: ludobot: please stay quite ;)
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:47): grrr
ludobot - (08/10/2008 17:47): vmassol: grrr
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:48): what's going on ...
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:48): just ludo's bot not working fine
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:48): ok so back to the topic
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:48): so the advantage of rewriting webdav support
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:48): is only to be independent of our storage
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:49): + some additional features
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:49): (which is probably important)
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:49): like /space/letter/letter/docname
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:49): ok so if we made JCR our way of using any storage solution
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:49): then it's less useful
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:50): amelentev1: I see
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:51): i really need to understand what's going on with JCR ... btw, ludovic should have a word regarding this too, since he initially desgined current webdav approach ..
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:51): btw asiri, did you check out nuxeo?
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:51): no
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:52): some interesting doc here: http://doc.nuxeo.org/5.1/books/nuxeo-book/html/nuxeo-platform-webdav-server.html
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:52): (I guess we have the same pbs as the ones mentioned)
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:53): pretty much sound like what i've been though .. he he
asyd - (08/10/2008 17:53): heya vmassol! we met howard lee (from tapestry5) yesterday evening. I notice you know him (at least you're connected in linkedin ;p)  you really should live more closer than paris ;p
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:53): asyd: yes I know him...
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:54): we've met several times
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:55): asiri, amelentev1: so basically we're redoing a lot of work but you think it's useful and required right? (it's important since we'll have to support/fix/maintain our webdav in the future and any new code is a lot of effort ,))
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asiri - (08/10/2008 17:56): yes, if we need to be independant of the storage, i think a generic webdav server (like what we have) is good.
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:57): yes
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:57): asiri: the point is that JCR
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:57): is an API to be independent of the storage
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:57): :)
asiri - (08/10/2008 17:57): my bad ..
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:57): JCR isn't so independent actually :)
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:58): But even for jcr I think will be some problems with embed webdav server 
vmassol - (08/10/2008 17:58): have to go (someone has arrived)... bbiab
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:59): Actually embed webdav server is just the same as current, but backed to jcr repo
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 17:59): I think
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asiri - (08/10/2008 17:59): amelentev1: can you explain a bit about JCR, how things will change with it .. in webdav ?
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:00): :)
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:00): i mean currently i use XWikiContext.get**** methods to retrieve documents that is to be exposed via webdav ..
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:00): how this would change with jcr ..
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:00): i'm totally new to this .. :)
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:01): major change in jcr webdav is you don't need get  xwiki documents, attachments :) It is loaded automatically from jcr repo
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:02): oh ... i have no clue .. how does that happen ? is that a lengthly description ? any resources i might refer to ? :)
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:02): in jcr we have some hierarchy, and this hierarchy is directly  exposed in webdav
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:03): i see, in that case existing webdav code have little or no use ... don't you think ? :-?
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:04): I think browser problems will remain
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:05): and we can't change urls. urls is tethered to hierarchy
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:06): but I think it is possible to rewrite urls via some webdav proxy
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:07): with jcr, how webdav server is built ? is is ready made ? like is there an already built webdav server ?
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:08): ah yes ..
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:08): we can use the jackrabbit jcr webdav server ..
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:09): yes
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:09): some info here http://wiki.apache.org/jackrabbit/WebDAV
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:10): so the question is now what ? :(
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:10): But i'm not tried it
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:10): i'm pretty sure it'll work with our jcr (since jcr is an standard) ..
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:13): There can be some problems if we change some resource directly in webdav/jcr, without notifying the core 
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:15): ah, there is jcr observations for this case
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:15): current webdav implementation anyways go through the core. The problem is whether we should go for jcr webdav server or a generic webdav server ... and why ... i'm kind of stuck here ..
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:16): how is jcr comming up ? was it implemented at the time where we started xwiki-webdav ? I hope not .. :)
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:17): because if we had jcr at that time we shouldn't have opted for a separate webdav implementation as we have now ... i wonder if we'd have to dump all efforts on webdav (what we have now) :(
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:19): This feature was in jackrabbit/exo since almost beginning. But we haven't a normal JCRStorage for use it
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:19): yes, true ..
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:20): so webdav should have followed jcr .. but we had them parallel is it the case ? :)
amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:21): yes :)
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:22): i wonder what we can do now ... think we'll have to wait for vincent's advice on this ..
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:24): amelentev1 : Shall i start a discussion on the list about this conflict ?
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amelentev1 - (08/10/2008 18:26): asiri: yes, I think so
asiri - (08/10/2008 18:26): ok
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