IRC Archive for channel #xwiki on 26 August 2016
Last modified by Vincent Massol on 2016/08/26 22:52
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10:07 <Pbas> Hi folks, I don't knows if someone already ask but with xwiki last version, can I limit the number of sublevel of nested page? ie if i want one level limit like previous xwiki version (1 space and pages)? any parameters for this feature?
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10:21 <vmassol> Pbas: not now. I think there's an open jira for this from Anca
10:21 <vmassol> what's the use case?
10:22 <vmassol> I can think of http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13402 but it's not strictly related to this
10:28 <Pbas> the use case: I want forbidden subdirectory creation
10:28 <Pbas> "I" is my boss :-)
10:29 <vmassol> that's not a use case
10:29 <Pbas> or simply limit subdirectoy deeph
10:29 <vmassol> what's the use case? (ie what's the rationale)
10:29 <vmassol> that's just the consequence
10:29 <vmassol> why is your boss not saying this for this filesystem for example?
10:30 <vmassol> s/this/his
10:30 <vmassol> he's probably on windows and employees can create subdirectories no?
10:30 <Pbas> we use a space like an encyclopedy and he wxant all page in ths space without sublevel
10:30 <vmassol> ok so it's only for a specific space
10:30 <vmassol> not for the whole wiki
10:31 <Pbas> yes :-)
10:31 <vmassol> well easy
10:31 <vmassol> just create terminal pages
10:31 <Pbas> thinking (I didn't chack acl)
10:31 <vmassol> encyclopedia pages should be created as terminal
10:31 <vmassol> so they cannot have children
10:31 <Pbas> wow is it so simple?
10:31 <vmassol> and offer a form to create new encyclopedia pages
10:32 <vmassol> so that it's set to terminal by default when users create those pages
10:32 <vmassol> it's not perfect
10:32 <vmassol> but it's a workaround for your needs
10:32 <vmassol> don't know if it's good enough, you tell me :)
10:33 <Pbas> ok thxs it is a way
10:33 <vmassol> in any case it won't hurt to create a jira issue improvement, it's just not there now and I don't know when someone will have time to work on this
10:34 <Pbas> Then there aren't a deeph nested parameter?
10:34 <Pbas> Ok I could
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10:35 <Pbas> because I'm thinking if users creating too much sub level , it will be a mess after year (maybe)
10:36 <Pbas> (like filesytem on some Samba shared)
10:36 <Pbas> on some Samba network share pardon
10:42 <vmassol> "Then there aren't a deeph nested parameter?" no there isn't
10:42 <vmassol> I don't see why it would be more a mess than being flat....
10:42 <vmassol> having 100000 docs in the same space or in various spaces is the same mess IMO :)
10:42 <vmassol> (actually more messy in a flat structure I think)
10:43 <vmassol> a wiki needs gardening anyway
10:43 <Pbas> for sure :-D
10:43 <vmassol> (like any collaboration system)
10:44 <vmassol> so if you want a limit on number of spaces you should also want a limit on number of documents in a given space IMO. But I'm not sure it's a good idea
10:44 <Pbas> but il is better to avoid mess problem instead fix it by gardenner
10:44 <vmassol> unless there are other reasons that we haven't listed yet for limiting the hierarchy size
10:44 <vmassol> Pbas: so you don't agree that a flat structure is as messy?
10:45 <Pbas> ... depending of use case
10:45 <vmassol> let me say one thing
10:45 <vmassol> the original goal of a wiki is to be messy
10:45 <vmassol> in order to provide serendipity
10:46 <vmassol> now XWiki has a solution for this
10:46 <vmassol> 1) allows some part of the wiki to be "messy" (ie free structure)
10:46 <vmassol> 2) allow other part to be controlled with structure apps
10:46 <vmassol> *structured
10:46 <vmassol> so if you want order in the encyclopedia part you need to build a small app for that
10:47 <vmassol> and then you'll control the organizational structure
10:47 <vmassol> (since it's the app that creates the pages and decides where to put them and it also control the content since it provides a structure)
10:48 <vmassol> that's the beauty of XWiki :)
10:48 <vmassol> you can have both
10:48 <Pbas> yes I agree about wiki spirit , but the shame, everyone didn't have write access (on intranet) big boss decision :-/
10:50 <Pbas> Ok I understand than limiting depth of nested page would be a regression :-)
10:50 <vmassol> Pbas: btw are you on XWiki 7.4+ ?
10:50 <vmassol> (or still on 6.x)
10:51 <Pbas> nope 7.0.1 and I must upgrade it to 8.2.1
10:51 <vmassol> ok
10:52 <Pbas> It will be second upgrade since 6.x version
10:53 <Pbas> ty to show me the light of serendipity (I didn't know this word) ;-)
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11:25 <vmassol> it's my favorite word :)
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11:33 <Pbas> :-D
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10:07 <Pbas> Hi folks, I don't knows if someone already ask but with xwiki last version, can I limit the number of sublevel of nested page? ie if i want one level limit like previous xwiki version (1 space and pages)? any parameters for this feature?
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10:21 <vmassol> Pbas: not now. I think there's an open jira for this from Anca
10:21 <vmassol> what's the use case?
10:22 <vmassol> I can think of http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13402 but it's not strictly related to this
10:28 <Pbas> the use case: I want forbidden subdirectory creation
10:28 <Pbas> "I" is my boss :-)
10:29 <vmassol> that's not a use case
10:29 <Pbas> or simply limit subdirectoy deeph
10:29 <vmassol> what's the use case? (ie what's the rationale)
10:29 <vmassol> that's just the consequence
10:29 <vmassol> why is your boss not saying this for this filesystem for example?
10:30 <vmassol> s/this/his
10:30 <vmassol> he's probably on windows and employees can create subdirectories no?
10:30 <Pbas> we use a space like an encyclopedy and he wxant all page in ths space without sublevel
10:30 <vmassol> ok so it's only for a specific space
10:30 <vmassol> not for the whole wiki
10:31 <Pbas> yes :-)
10:31 <vmassol> well easy
10:31 <vmassol> just create terminal pages
10:31 <Pbas> thinking (I didn't chack acl)
10:31 <vmassol> encyclopedia pages should be created as terminal
10:31 <vmassol> so they cannot have children
10:31 <Pbas> wow is it so simple?
10:31 <vmassol> and offer a form to create new encyclopedia pages
10:32 <vmassol> so that it's set to terminal by default when users create those pages
10:32 <vmassol> it's not perfect
10:32 <vmassol> but it's a workaround for your needs
10:32 <vmassol> don't know if it's good enough, you tell me :)
10:33 <Pbas> ok thxs it is a way
10:33 <vmassol> in any case it won't hurt to create a jira issue improvement, it's just not there now and I don't know when someone will have time to work on this
10:34 <Pbas> Then there aren't a deeph nested parameter?
10:34 <Pbas> Ok I could
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10:35 <Pbas> because I'm thinking if users creating too much sub level , it will be a mess after year (maybe)
10:36 <Pbas> (like filesytem on some Samba shared)
10:36 <Pbas> on some Samba network share pardon
10:42 <vmassol> "Then there aren't a deeph nested parameter?" no there isn't
10:42 <vmassol> I don't see why it would be more a mess than being flat....
10:42 <vmassol> having 100000 docs in the same space or in various spaces is the same mess IMO :)
10:42 <vmassol> (actually more messy in a flat structure I think)
10:43 <vmassol> a wiki needs gardening anyway
10:43 <Pbas> for sure :-D
10:43 <vmassol> (like any collaboration system)
10:44 <vmassol> so if you want a limit on number of spaces you should also want a limit on number of documents in a given space IMO. But I'm not sure it's a good idea
10:44 <Pbas> but il is better to avoid mess problem instead fix it by gardenner
10:44 <vmassol> unless there are other reasons that we haven't listed yet for limiting the hierarchy size
10:44 <vmassol> Pbas: so you don't agree that a flat structure is as messy?
10:45 <Pbas> ... depending of use case
10:45 <vmassol> let me say one thing
10:45 <vmassol> the original goal of a wiki is to be messy
10:45 <vmassol> in order to provide serendipity
10:46 <vmassol> now XWiki has a solution for this
10:46 <vmassol> 1) allows some part of the wiki to be "messy" (ie free structure)
10:46 <vmassol> 2) allow other part to be controlled with structure apps
10:46 <vmassol> *structured
10:46 <vmassol> so if you want order in the encyclopedia part you need to build a small app for that
10:47 <vmassol> and then you'll control the organizational structure
10:47 <vmassol> (since it's the app that creates the pages and decides where to put them and it also control the content since it provides a structure)
10:48 <vmassol> that's the beauty of XWiki :)
10:48 <vmassol> you can have both
10:48 <Pbas> yes I agree about wiki spirit , but the shame, everyone didn't have write access (on intranet) big boss decision :-/
10:50 <Pbas> Ok I understand than limiting depth of nested page would be a regression :-)
10:50 <vmassol> Pbas: btw are you on XWiki 7.4+ ?
10:50 <vmassol> (or still on 6.x)
10:51 <Pbas> nope 7.0.1 and I must upgrade it to 8.2.1
10:51 <vmassol> ok
10:52 <Pbas> It will be second upgrade since 6.x version
10:53 <Pbas> ty to show me the light of serendipity (I didn't know this word) ;-)
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11:25 <vmassol> it's my favorite word :)
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11:33 <Pbas> :-D
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