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Last modified by Vincent Massol on 2012/10/18 18:44

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1 LadySerena - (00:00): so its not just a xar I can import?
2 LadySerena - (00:00): grrrr
3 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:01): It looks like the web.xml files could be merged.
4 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:02): There is this: <servlet-name>XWatchService</servlet-name>
5 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:03): And restlet servlet has a bunch of init params.
6 LadySerena - (00:03): ultimately what I want is a combined platform: XEM + Chronopolys + Watch
7 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:04): I have never tried installing watch before. sdumitriu, Do you know why xwatch has it's own pom.xml? Can it be installed on XE?
8 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:11): It looks like there are also some jars which need to be installed, I would download xwatch and copy out any jars which are not in XE already.
9 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:13): Hmm, looks like it would have to be compiled as the last release was for platform 1.5 http://watch.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Installation#HXWiki20Watch20over20an20existing20wiki
10 sdumitriu - (00:15): lucaa knows best
11 sdumitriu - (00:16): Watch needs its own web.xml because it has some custom servlets
12 lucaa - (00:16): hi LadySerena
13 lucaa - (00:16): watch is a bunch of jars (2), some servlet added in the web.xml and a .xar you impoty
14 lucaa - (00:16): import
15 lucaa - (00:17): I assume you'd want to install it on a modern xwiki, for which the solution is: http://watch.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Installation#HBuilding20and20installing20an20XWiki20Watch20Snapshot20over20an20existing20XWiki20Enterprise
16 lucaa - (00:20): CalebJamesDeLisl: that's an old web.xml, it's not watch's own, it's just a merge of enterprise with watch. Quite outdated (my guess is something like 1.5)
17 CalebJamesDeLisl - (00:21): I see, thanks.
18 LadySerena - (00:50): you know, with JQuery, you select what you want in your installation, where you wanna put it on your server, and even the color theme and upload images you want it to use ...... and their server builds a package just for your specified configuration
19 LadySerena - (00:50): I know it'd be difficult, but it'd be cool to build something like that for XWiki.
20 LadySerena - (00:51): so with one download, someone could have XEM + Chronopolys + Watch + Workspaces preconfigured for ShortURLs and all they'd have to do is deploy it
21 LadySerena - (00:52): makes life easier for admins :D
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44 headache - (08:17): hello
45 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:21): Hi headache
46 headache - (08:25): hi CalebJamesDeLisl
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49 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:46): vmassol: I'd like to resurrect Alex's proposal for a secret auth token to prevent CSRF. My imagined implementation would require components to have access to the user, what do you think of adding an EntityReference (for the user document) to the ExecutionContext?
50 vmassol - (08:48): CalebJamesDeLisl: I think you should use the XWikiContext for now till we redesign the authentication module. For example I wouldn't put an EntityReference directly in the EC in the new architecture but instead probably a User object which would have a getReference()
51 vmassol - (08:48): (but I haven't thought about the new architecture for authentication and authorization so I don't really know)
52 vmassol - (08:48): what you can do though
53 vmassol - (08:49): is work on Context/XWikiContext so that you have a getuser api that returns an EntityReference
54 vmassol - (08:49): (instead of a string)
55 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:49): I like the EntityReference because it might point to anything in the DB which signifies the user.
56 vmassol - (08:49): it's a weak concept
57 vmassol - (08:50): too weak for a proper design IMO
58 vmassol - (08:50): it's like using a string for a document refernce
59 vmassol - (08:50): this is too weak
60 vmassol - (08:50): but it's ok for the old api
61 vmassol - (08:50): I just wouldn't like the new api to have to change too quickly
62 vmassol - (08:50): since changing an api is a nightmare
63 vmassol - (08:51): (EC is new api)
64 vmassol - (08:51): (Context/XWikiContext is old api)
65 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:51): EC is api? I thought it was internal.
66 vmassol - (08:51): @Requirement Exeecution execution
67 vmassol - (08:51): anyone can do this in his code
68 vmassol - (08:51): it's public
69 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:52): I thought API meant public to scripting.
70 vmassol - (08:52): for me API is well … api
71 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:53): So everything is api then?
72 vmassol - (08:53): no
73 vmassol - (08:53): there are 2 things not api:
74 vmassol - (08:53): 1) all stuff private
75 vmassol - (08:53): 2) all code in internal packages
76 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:53): Ok.
77 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:54): Are components intended to eventually be accessible to velocity?
78 vmassol - (08:54): not directly
79 vmassol - (08:54): but through the velocity bridge we now have
80 vmassol - (08:54): this is in order to:
81 vmassol - (08:54): 1) control the risk
82 vmassol - (08:55): 2) offer more velocity-friendly apis
83 vmassol - (08:55): 3) perform automated checks on rights
84 vmassol - (08:55): (we're not doing 3) yet but it's planned)
85 vmassol - (08:55): (planned in the proposal that was agreed on that is ;))
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87 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:56): So a component for making hashes would need to get the XWikiContext from the EC and declare a dependency on core.
88 vmassol - (08:57): yes it would probably need to be located in the old core if it requires core apis
89 vmassol - (08:57): we have several of them like this that we cannot move out yet
90 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:57): It seems the strict rules for the new code are pushing new code into the old core.
91 vmassol - (08:57): since they're called by the core and they need the core
92 vmassol - (08:57): (s/core/old core/)
93 vmassol - (08:57): it's not about strict rule, it's about cyclic dependency
94 vmassol - (08:57): till the model is not externalized from the old core we'll have this pb
95 vmassol - (08:58): this is why we introduced the bridge btw
96 vmassol - (08:58): (to solve the cyclic dep issue)
97 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:58): Actually I don't see why there would need to be cyclic dependency, the hash generator just uses script service.
98 vmassol - (08:58): btw
99 vmassol - (08:58): isn't there arleady a getuser in the bridge?
100 vmassol - (08:58): (I think there is)
101 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:59): Oops, have to check.. So much code to miss.
102 vmassol - (08:59): who uses the "hash generator"?
103 vmassol - (08:59): if it's just velocity then it's fine
104 CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:59): Velocity scripts, html generating stuff which makes buttons.
105 vmassol - (08:59): then the next question is where would you put it
106 CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:00): The hash generator?
107 vmassol - (09:00): I think thomas and you should get together to propose a new xwiki-security module, or xwiki-authentication and xwiki-authorization, or another name
108 vmassol - (09:00): it seems this hash generator could fit in there
109 CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:01): Why bundle it together with another component?
110 vmassol - (09:01): you want a new module that would hold 2 classes?
111 vmassol - (09:02): it seems too fine-grained to me
112 vmassol - (09:02): fine-grained leads to lots ofissues
113 vmassol - (09:02): since
114 vmassol - (09:02): we don't know your idea, I'd say you should make a proposal first
115 vmassol - (09:02): and then we can discuss it
116 vmassol - (09:02): :)
117 vmassol - (09:02): (I'm discussing things before knowing what you're suggesting! which isn't good :))
118 CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:03): I will send out the email, now knowing that adding to EC is no good and knowing about the bridge api.
119 vmassol - (09:04): ok
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124 CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:29): Mail sent. re bundling hash generator with authentication module, I think the authentication module should define an api which can be implemented by openid, foaf+ssl, form, simple, etc. If each have to implement the hash generator, it becomes a ball and chain.
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153 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:37): Does anyone have a reaction to the idea of proposing the beginning a storage module as a GSOC project?
154 vmassol - (13:37): I have one :)
155 sdumitriu - (13:37): Me too
156 vmassol - (13:38): several problems
157 vmassol - (13:38): pb 1: storage and model are quite related and linked. For ex JCR
158 vmassol - (13:38): pb 2: this is core stuff and it should be done by a committer
159 vmassol - (13:39): pb3: it's too complex to have any good result during a summer
160 vmassol - (13:39): pb 4: you need a very good knowledge of xwiki internals; xwiki use cases, past history
161 vmassol - (13:39): etc
162 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:40): All good points, that's why I wanted to field it here.
163 vmassol - (13:40): but we do need to progress on the model indeed. I have it on my backburner
164 vmassol - (13:41): help is most welcome though
165 vmassol - (13:41): what I have so far is in the sandbox
166 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:41): I suspect it will take a full year or so before anything started would be functional, another year to prove it is safe to use.
167 vmassol - (13:41): yes one hard part is ensuring continuity
168 vmassol - (13:41): my plan right now is to:
169 vmassol - (13:42): propose an API (interfaces)
170 vmassol - (13:42): implement it using the old core
171 vmassol - (13:42): ensure all continue to wor
172 vmassol - (13:42): work
173 vmassol - (13:42): work on another implementation
174 vmassol - (13:42): offer a config swtich to decide what impl to use at runtime
175 vmassol - (13:42): deprecate the old impl and make the new one the default
176 vmassol - (13:42): remove the old impl
177 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:42): I see. +1 for the configuration
178 vmassol - (13:43): 2 pointers if you're interested:
179 vmassol - (13:43): http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/XWikiModel20
180 vmassol - (13:43): http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/sandbox/xwiki-model/
181 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:44): I think rewriting the db driver should be looked on as an opportunity to change the schema.
182 vmassol - (13:44): sure
183 vmassol - (13:44): it goes even deeper than that
184 vmassol - (13:44): :)
185 vmassol - (13:44): if we decide to go with JCR then there's no schema anymore ;)
186 vmassol - (13:44): (well not in the same sense)
187 vmassol - (13:45): so yes it's a full rewrite
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189 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:45): I still like the idea of keeping hibernate because breaking the hql queries is a huge api break.
190 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:46): I have to look into jcr more.
191 vmassol - (13:46): CalebJamesDeLisl: yes, we have HQL support in in the query component but it's cheating
192 vmassol - (13:46): (it's tied to hibernate)
193 vmassol - (13:47): but yes we need to make it all work with as little disturbance as we can
194 vmassol - (13:47): although at some point
195 vmassol - (13:47): we'll probably have to call it XWiki 3.0
196 tmortagne - (13:47): CalebJamesDeLisl: it mainly means we need to use XWiki query languge as much as possible
197 vmassol - (13:47): (or 4.0 ;))
198 vmassol - (13:47): tmortagne: yep
199 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:47): Ok as long as api.XWiki.search keeps working...
200 vmassol - (13:47): is't also supposed to be easier to use than HQL
201 vmassol - (13:48): we should indeed make a push for it
202 vmassol - (13:48): and start rewriting our queries
203 vmassol - (13:48): so that in 10 releases from now we can only have XQL
204 vmassol - (13:48): :)
205 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:48): More code to read...
206 vmassol - (13:49): and so that we can tune it too in case it's missing stuff
207 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:49): Hope it handles \ all right :)
208 CalebJamesDeLisl - (13:52): My imagination of what the new component would look like in a sentence: One loadEntity method, document, object and property treated the same, multiple entities can be loaded/stored at once, not 4000 lines of code.
209 headache - (13:59): i have to go, today my sister get a master degree in Electronic Engineering :D
210 headache - (14:01): goodbye
211 MichelleShi - (14:01): headache, bye:)
212 headache - (14:01): bye MichelleShi
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215 C_Kode - (14:17): In general xwiki table syntax. How do you column span?
216 tmortagne - (14:18): | (%spanparm="value"%)
217 tmortagne - (14:18): or
218 tmortagne - (14:18): |(%%)(%spanparm="value"%)
219 tmortagne - (14:18): should work think
220 C_Kode - (14:19): Thanks, I will try that
221 tmortagne - (14:19): the first (%%) is associated to the <td>
222 tmortagne - (14:19): but since a white space is meaningfull content
223 tmortagne - (14:19): | (%spanparm="value"%)
224 tmortagne - (14:19): is not the same than
225 tmortagne - (14:19): |(%spanparm="value"%)
226 C_Kode - (14:20): hmm, not spanning
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228 tmortagne - (14:22): what are you trying to obtain in html ? i'm not sure i understand
229 C_Kode - (14:22): I want a row to span 2 columns
230 C_Kode - (14:22): 1 colum span 2 while the normal table is 2 columns wide
231 tmortagne - (14:22): ok so indeed i really did not understood
232 tmortagne - (14:23): when you do
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234 tmortagne - (14:23): |(%param="value"%)
235 tmortagne - (14:23): you optain
236 tmortagne - (14:23): <td param="value">
237 tmortagne - (14:23): you can use this to set the colspan
238 C_Kode - (14:24): so |(%colspan=2%) Something |
239 tmortagne - (14:24): see http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/XWikiSyntax#HTables for more on table and custom parameters
240 C_Kode - (14:25): k
241 C_Kode - (14:30): ahh, got it. I had a pipe at the end that was throwing the whole thing for a loop
242 tmortagne - (14:31): yes | is the start of a column but you don't need to close the column
243 C_Kode - (14:31): Thanks for your help.
244 tmortagne - (14:31): np :)
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253 jvelociter - (15:33): vmassol: Hi
254 jvelociter - (15:33): I would be keen on some maven assistance when you have some time
255 jvelociter - (15:34): I'm trying to filter a jar that comes with a war overlay
256 jvelociter - (15:35): basically I'm building a war that has a war dependency and I want the resulting war to exclude one of the jar that comes with the war dep.
257 jvelociter - (15:35): I've tried using dependentWarExcludes from the maven war plugin configuration
258 jvelociter - (15:35): but no success
259 jvelociter - (15:36): no success with an exlucde in an overlays configuration either
260 vmassol - (15:46): jvelociter: otp
261 jvelociter - (15:48): vmassol: yep no problem. wasn't expecting a synchronous answer ;) In the meantime I managed to do my filtering using dependentWarExcludes.
262 jvelociter - (15:48): vmassol: (but if their is a nicer way to do that I'm curious)
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272 lucaa - (16:44): tmortagne: any reason for which @Test is used fully qualified and not imported here https://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/platform/core/trunk/xwiki-model/src/test/java/org/xwiki/model/internal/reference/ExplicitReferenceEntityReferenceResolverTest.java ?
273 tmortagne - (16:45): lucaa: no idea, i usually use not fully qualified @Test (unless i did a copy past), you should ask vmassol
274 vmassol - (16:46): lucaa: it's a bug of intellij idea
275 vmassol - (16:46): it shouldn't be fully qualified normally
276 lucaa - (16:47): ok
277 lucaa - (16:47): so if I fix it your intellij will explode?
278 vmassol - (16:47): (a regression they have in the EAP)
279 vmassol - (16:47): you can fix it, I'll manage
280 lucaa - (16:47): ok
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296 plunden - (18:46): Good evening. Is it possible to programmatically add objects to $doc? I have found removeObject and getObject methods, but no addObject in the Document class.
297 glerouge - (18:46): yes
298 glerouge - (18:46): $doc.getObject('Some.Object', true)
299 glerouge - (18:46): it will try to get the object and create it i it doesn't exist
300 plunden - (18:51): Ah, yes. I think I got that part already. What I'd like to be able to do is have an object from another page added in $doc.
301 vmassol - (18:52): newObject
302 vmassol - (18:52): public Object newObject(String classname) throws XWikiException
303 vmassol - (18:53): (yes I know, having an addObject would have been too easy…. :))
304 vmassol - (18:54): there's also createNewObject
305 vmassol - (18:54): newObject does a create and returns the object while crate just create it and return its position
306 vmassol - (18:54): (plunden)
307 plunden - (18:57): Hmm
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309 plunden - (18:59): I am having an object already, in another page. Here is what I am trying to achieve:
310 glerouge - (18:59): something like
311 plunden - (18:59): #set($user = $xwiki.getDocument('XWiki.PicaPau').getObject('XWiki.XWikiUsers'))
312 plunden - (18:59): $doc.addObject($user)
313 plunden - (18:59): #set($userClass = $user.xWikiClass)
314 plunden - (18:59): #foreach($prop in $userClass.properties)
315 plunden - (18:59): ; $prop.prettyName
316 plunden - (18:59): : $doc.display($prop.getName())
317 plunden - (18:59): #end
318 plunden - (19:00): Does it make sense? :-)
319 vmassol - (19:01): I have no idea why we don't have an api to add existing objects to a document in our public API....
320 glerouge - (19:01): try with
321 glerouge - (19:01): actually I don't know
322 vmassol - (19:01): sdumitriu: any idea why we miss that?
323 vmassol - (19:01): (we do have apis in the privileged api)
324 sdumitriu - (19:02): vmassol: Why would we need that?
325 sdumitriu - (19:02): We don't have floating objects
326 sdumitriu - (19:02): An object should always belong to a document
327 vmassol - (19:02): for example you can get an exsiting object, clone it and add it
328 vmassol - (19:03): sdumitriu: well we do have lots of apis in XWikiDocument for adding BaseObject
329 vmassol - (19:03): so I guess there's a reason
330 vmassol - (19:03): and yes you can create object and associate them with a document
331 vmassol - (19:03): and then add them to a document
332 vmassol - (19:04): there are cases where it's handy I guess
333 plunden - (19:04): Yeah, that I'm trying to achieve. Adding an object to current page so that I can show its fields.
334 plunden - (19:05): s/page/document/
335 plunden - (19:05): an existing object, I might add
336 vmassol - (19:06): an alternative would be copy/renameObject methods I guess
337 vmassol - (19:06): not rename
338 vmassol - (19:06): just copy
339 vmassol - (19:06): but it may or may not fill all use cases
340 vmassol - (19:07): anyway just trying to answer to plunden
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343 vmassol - (19:07): plunden: btw why do you need to copy the object?
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345 plunden - (19:12): I am creating an app for managing boards. There is a class HB.BoardMember. They are each associated with an XWiki user. I am trying to show board member data together with their associated user data.
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347 vmassol - (19:13): plunden: yes but why are you trying to copy objects from one document to another?
348 plunden - (19:13): Like having HB.PicaPau to show the user data from XWiki.PicaPau and the membership data.
349 vmassol - (19:14): in your example above you're trying to copy a XWikiUsers object from $xwiki.getDocument('XWiki.PicaPau') to $doc
350 vmassol - (19:14): and I don't understand why you need to copy it
351 plunden - (19:15): To show the user&member data together and update the user&member data together.
352 vmassol - (19:15): plunden: doesn it work if you do: $xwiki.getDocument('XWiki.PicaPau').display(…) instead?
353 vmassol - (19:16): (it should work in view mode, not sure in inline mode though)
354 plunden - (19:16): Ah, let me try.
355 vmassol - (19:17): in any case it sounds very wrong to me to copy object just to display them
356 vmassol - (19:17): (display and/or edit)
357 vmassol - (19:17): you'll get duplicated objects (in 2 locations)
358 plunden - (19:18): So they are not references to the same object?
359 vmassol - (19:18): no
360 vmassol - (19:18): each object is associated with one document
361 vmassol - (19:18): objects don't exist without documents as sergiu said
362 plunden - (19:19): Yeah, viewing works now.
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364 plunden - (19:20): Editing not so. ;-)
365 plunden - (19:21): Or the user data does not get updated, member data does.
366 vmassol - (19:21): ok… I don't know how to do that, maybe someone else knows here
367 plunden - (19:23): I think that is enough for me.
368 plunden - (19:24): Thanks for infos.
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383 vmassol - (21:19): anyone familiar with the atmosphere framework: http://java.dzone.com/articles/new-atlassian-jira-studio ? Sounds interesting
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387 jvelociter - (21:29): vmassol: or how to have a l&f familiar to facebook users
388 jvelociter - (21:31): though it looks interesting indeed
389 jvelociter - (21:31): we could have "document has been edited" live notifications of some sort with such framework
390 jvelociter - (21:32): live watchlist
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398 headache - (22:05): hello
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400 DV - (22:07): hello
401 headache - (22:17): i don't know, how to make a comment here http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/Homepage
402 headache - (22:17): maybe i have not the rights to comment :)
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