IRC Archive for channel #xwiki

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LadySerena - (07:11): my XWiki installation randomly stopped working
LadySerena - (07:22): where is xwiki.hbm.xml ?
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LadySerena - (07:33): O hai thar vmassol!
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (07:41): xwiki.hbm.xml is in xwiki-core.2.x.x.jar under resources
LadySerena - (07:45): well I updated my installation (code-side)
LadySerena - (07:46): yet I still get this: javax.servlet.ServletException: PWC1244: Servlet execution threw an exception
LadySerena - (07:46): root cause
LadySerena - (07:46): java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: org.objectweb.asm.ClassWriter.<init>(Z)V
LadySerena - (07:47): java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class net.sf.cglib.proxy.Enhancer
CalebJamesDeLisl - (07:50): hmm http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg10178.html
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LadySerena - (08:01): updated cglib and asm ..... still the same damned error
LadySerena - (08:04): okay, now it works
LadySerena - (08:04): but the damned /bin/ is back ¬.¬
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:07): We need to get rid of /bin/ in the code. --> xwiki-action
LadySerena - (08:11): nice .... I can view all wikis EXCEPT admin.ladyserenakitty.com
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:12): ??? It shows up for me.
LadySerena - (08:12): wtf?
LadySerena - (08:12): also, it won't keep me logged in
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:16): Check for username and password cookies, also if you are logged in to the main wiki there can be collisions logging into local wikis.
LadySerena - (08:16): http://varus.felinewith.me/bin/
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:16): (depends on cookie domain configuration)
LadySerena - (08:16): "Unknown macro: smarthome"
LadySerena - (08:16): :(
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:16): Is that in "in wiki page" macro?
LadySerena - (08:17): http://admin.ladyserenakitty.com/bin/CustomCode/SmartHome
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:20): Macro loading is something I don't really understand, sorry.
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:24): If you made the first page load (lazy initialized) from a subwiki, that might be part of the problem.
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:24): I remember there was an issue about that.
LadySerena - (08:26): grrr
LadySerena - (08:26): never had that problem before
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:31): http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4862
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:31): Should have been fixed in 2.2RC2
LadySerena - (08:31): I'm now using 2.2.4
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:49): The macro initializer logs exceptions and skips over macros, so you might be able to grep the log for the macro name and see if something went wrong.
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:50): I wonder if the macro would work in the main wiki...
vmassol - (08:51): what visibility does it have?
vmassol - (08:51): and yes you should see stuff in the logs normally
LadySerena - (08:52): I don't see anything about macros in the logs.
vmassol - (08:52): note: in the future, we'll improve error reporting by having a macro dashboard from where you'll be able to start/stop macros and see messages
vmassol - (08:53): LadySerena: what visibility does it have?
LadySerena - (08:53): visibility?
vmassol - (08:53): edit the macro and check the visibility
vmassol - (08:53): if it's global then you need PR
CalebJamesDeLisl - (08:54): I was hesitant to say that since it's an upgrade that broke it.
vmassol - (08:55): the visibility notion was introduced not too long ago but the default is wiki visibility AFAIR
LadySerena - (08:55): odd, visibility was set as "Current User"
vmassol - (08:56): default is supposed to be wiki:
vmassol - (08:56):         needsUpdate |= bclass.addStaticListField(MACRO_VISIBILITY_PROPERTY, "Macro visibility", 1, false,
vmassol - (08:56):             "Current User|Current Wiki|Global", "select", "|");
vmassol - (08:56): the little 1 here is supposed to be the second option
vmassol - (08:57): ah no
vmassol - (08:57): maybe that's a bug
vmassol - (08:57): checking
vmassol - (08:58): apparently it's the size of the select
vmassol - (08:58): so I don't know how it's initialized
vmassol - (08:58): maybe the frist item from the list
vmassol - (08:58): so that's a bug indeed
vmassol - (08:59): (not a big one but still the default should be wiki IMO)
vmassol - (08:59): LadySerena: anyway, does that fix your problem?
LadySerena - (08:59): ya, it does
vmassol - (09:00): apparently we don't have any way of selecting the default element
LadySerena - (09:00): D:
vmassol - (09:01): so I guess the default is users from now on! :)
vmassol - (09:02): let's say it's a voluntary security choice!
vmassol - (09:02): the most limitating visibility by default
vmassol - (09:02): I think that can be defended
vmassol - (09:02): ;)
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:06): Hmm, the product of any consecutive set of primes starting with 2, plus any non prime is another non prime.
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:06): 2*3+non prime = non prime.
vmassol - (09:06): didn't know that one
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:07): rsa1024 here we come :D
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:09): What's neat is that the sieve of Eratosthenes applies at a higher range although it doesn't sift out all of the non primes. Also java is pretty fast if you excuse the .3 second start time.
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gvallarelli - (09:26): goood morning
vmassol - (09:33): hudson is stuck
vmassol - (09:34): cancellin gbuilds
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plunden - (10:10): Hi, I am just wondering if there is a way to control presentation and functionality in delete mode? Like using sheets in view and inline modes or something?
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:16): Is the delete.vm template what you are looking for?
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:17): (this) http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/platform/web/trunk/standard/src/main/webapp/templates/delete.vm
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jvelociter - (11:02): tmortagne: Hi
jvelociter - (11:02): strange thing on XEM
tmortagne - (11:02): hi
jvelociter - (11:03): I'm farm admin and I don't see the "Create new Wiki" link on the WikiManager home page
jvelociter - (11:03): I looked into the code
jvelociter - (11:03): and there is a #if($WikiManager.canCreateWiki())
jvelociter - (11:03): but I can't seem to find this API in the wiki manager plugin
jvelociter - (11:03): http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=canCreateWiki&hl=en&btnG=Search+Code
tmortagne - (11:07): jvelociter: let me look (there is not this issue on myxwiki.org AFAIK)
jvelociter - (11:07): yes it's strange because I know I've seen the link already
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tmortagne - (11:12): jvelociter: there is canCreateWiki in the plugin api, /media/data/projets/xwiki/src/xwikitrunk/platform/plugins/wiki-manager/src/main/java/com/xpn/xwiki/plugin/wikimanager/WikiManagerPluginApi.java
jvelociter - (11:12): mm I did not see it on fisheye
jvelociter - (11:12): let me see
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:13): Hmm, 31, 41, 61    2*3+non-prime   such a nice rule, too bad it doesn't work.
jvelociter - (11:13): ok cas looking in the wrong place
jvelociter - (11:13): wrong revision
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tmortagne - (11:16): jvelociter: note that programming right is part of the test
jvelociter - (11:16): to create a wiki
jvelociter - (11:16): ok
tmortagne - (11:16): probably an import issue
jvelociter - (11:16): that explains it
tmortagne - (11:16): lbecause of the old behavior of new importer
jvelociter - (11:16): funny thing is that knowing the link I've been able to create a wiki
tmortagne - (11:16): (which is one of the main reason why i created the blocker issue in the first place)
tmortagne - (11:17): jvelociter: you probably have programming right on the creation page
tmortagne - (11:17): and not on the main page
jvelociter - (11:17): ah right
jvelociter - (11:17): hmm
tmortagne - (11:17): the test is not right
jvelociter - (11:17): I uploaded a XAR on the create page
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factor - (11:22): hello I was wondering whats the best page to configure after install the the war file
factor - (11:22): says something about configuring the hibernation file
tmortagne - (11:24): jvelociter: i think you should use template instead of package to create a wiki
jvelociter - (11:25): tmortagne: why?
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jvelociter - (11:25): (considering I can prepare my package)
tmortagne - (11:25): jvelociter: easier to prepare a template wiki, you can fix it etc...
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:25): factor: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation  is this what you are looking for?
jvelociter - (11:25): yes it's more handy in the long run I agree
factor - (11:25): was looking at that.
jvelociter - (11:25): I was lazy
factor - (11:26): when you install the war its ok for it to crash right
factor - (11:26): needs to be configured.
tmortagne - (11:26): jvelociter: if it's a one shot wiki creating, better import the xar on the new wiki itself
tmortagne - (11:26): way better with the new importer UI
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:27): factor: You need to point it to the database and give it the db username and password in the hibernate file, other than that, configuration is optional.
jvelociter - (11:27): yes. still missing the expand all spaces / collapse all spaces option though
factor - (11:27): ok thanks I have postgresql 8.4 running , i am also using fedora-commons which is working fine right now
jvelociter - (11:27): I have to add it in
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:29): factor: I'm running fedora/postgres too, I installed using this http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationPostgreSQL
factor - (11:30): ok thanks
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:31): You have access to createdb? it's in /usr/bin on my machine.
factor - (11:31): yes I have setup fedora-commons
factor - (11:32): which is working fine and created a test db and talking just using jsp
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:32): Ahh, you also have to put the postgres jdbc file in WEB-INF/lib
factor - (11:32): yes did that, but then says something about the hybernations file
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:33): Yes, you have to comment out the default HSQL database from the hibernate config and uncomment the postgres section.
factor - (11:33): oh
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:34): I recommend opening the hibernate file in gedit because the highlighting tells you what's commented out easily.
factor - (11:35): I use vi
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:38): I use it only when I want to edit a file as root.   i also found that it was easier getting things up and running by setting pg_hba.conf security for localhost to "trust".
factor - (11:38): ok
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:38): (obviously not for production)
factor - (11:44): should connection url just be a postgres link   ?username= etc
vmassol - (11:45): moving workspaces to retired
factor - (11:45): ok looking at the wiki looks like just the base version of that.
factor - (11:45): no username
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:48): It should be in the hibernate file, just commented out.  Mine looks like this: connection.url">jdbc:postgresql:testwiki</property>
factor - (11:48): yes getting to it will see if it work here in a bit
factor - (11:48): thanks , xwiki looks nice like the skins
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:49): I have found postgres quite easy use, especially compared to mysql with it's utf 4 byte issues.
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vmassol - (11:59): if someone can change the CSS to align watch on http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome that would help me
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:59): Bed time.   Maybe I'll dream why my prime sieve leaks.
factor - (12:02): I get this error
factor - (12:02): Cannot load class com.xpn.xwiki.store.migration.hibernate.XWikiHibernateMigrationManager from param xwiki.store.migration.manager.class
lucaa - (12:02): vmassol: but but, isn't watch supposed to be removed from there too?
vmassol - (12:03): yes
vmassol - (12:03): I'm doing them one at a time
lucaa - (12:03): so, can't we just remove it and not fix the CSS?
lucaa - (12:03): I mean wait until it's going to be removed
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vmassol - (12:03): if it takes 2mn ti fix the css we should do it
vmassol - (12:04): it's longer to discuss it here
vmassol - (12:04): :)
lucaa - (12:04): no it's doesn't
lucaa - (12:04): s/it's/it/
lucaa - (12:04): at least not to me
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lucaa - (12:07): vmassol: refresh please, tell if it's right
vmassol - (12:07): yep good enough thanks
factor - (12:07): yeah got it going, I had the default config still in it, the uncomment postgres config covered all the parts.
factor - (12:19): can xwiki use the fedora-commons db api
plunden - (12:23): CalebJamesDeLisl: Thanks for the info.
plunden - (12:23): Re the delete.vm you mentioned a couple of hours ago. ;-)
factor - (12:26): how do I change skins in xwiki?
factor - (12:31): ahh its a separate xar
factor - (12:33): Now I cant log in
factor - (12:33): what username and password do I use
factor - (12:33): after I install admin xar
factor - (12:37): ok going to sleep catch up on this later
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vmassol - (13:16): guys should we upgrade XWiki.org to 2.2.4?
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sdumitriu - (13:34): Team, the current logo situation is: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tuyO-K_yJSu9Ws8bcEIq3qQ
sdumitriu - (13:35): So, we can put either 4 or 6 finalists (the 5th and the 6th are really close)
sdumitriu - (13:36): So, everyone OK to go on the second round with 12A, 12E, 15, 16B?
sdumitriu - (13:36): Extra: 4A and 19
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gvallarelli - (14:09): the proposal 16B remember me the Wii Logo http://www.gamersdailynews.com/userfiles/wii-logo.jpg
lucaa - (14:16): mmh, sdumitriu, I can't really detect what to read in the spreadsheet... I'd like to see the diff between 5 and 6 and 4, I'd be towards including them in the round 2 too, but it depends
vmassol - (14:16): the first 2 in the new round should be discarded imo
vmassol - (14:17): they're too close to the xwiki sas logo
lucaa - (14:18): 12A is, 12E not that much.
vmassol - (14:18): lucaa: it is, the concept is the same
vmassol - (14:18): ask ciprian I'm sure he'll tell you he copied the concept from the current xwiki sas ologo
tmortagne - (14:18): IMO 15 is way too close to atlassian, i would at least vote -0 for it
vmassol - (14:19): tmortagne: I don't think so on this one, the concept is different
vmassol - (14:19): very different
vmassol - (14:19): in our case it represents an X for XWiki
vmassol - (14:19): the one we discarded was ok for me too
tmortagne - (14:19): first thing a user see is that it represent a human, then it represent a X
vmassol - (14:19): since even though it represented a person, it was also the X from XWiki
vmassol - (14:20): I think it's defendable
vmassol - (14:20): (in court)
vmassol - (14:20): but I'm no expert ;)
tmortagne - (14:21): sure but better having a logo for which there is no similrality with our principal competitor event if "it's defendable"...
vmassol - (14:24): yes but we need to keep a few proposals ;)
lucaa - (14:26): yeah, the pb is that atlassian has an X-shaped logo :)
vmassol - (14:26): IMO these logos were done withut the atlassian logo in mind
vmassol - (14:26): yes lucaa, wanted to say the same thing
vmassol - (14:26): they stole our X!
lucaa - (14:26): :)
gvallarelli - (14:26): proposal 15 is beautiful but I think it's a a lot similar to Atlassian logo :(
vmassol - (14:26): we should attack them
vmassol - (14:26): gvallarelli: no, they are similar to ours! :)
lucaa - (14:26): vmassol so the problem is the creation process not what it suggests?
gvallarelli - (14:26): hope that is not a problem for XWiki
vmassol - (14:27): (let's fake the dates of creation for our logo and we'll be fine…)
lucaa - (14:27): I think it's more to what one understands when they see it, not how it was obtained
vmassol - (14:27): lucaa: yes maybe
vmassol - (14:27): but I don't know
lucaa - (14:27): me neither
tmortagne - (14:27): vmassol: i'm sure the atlassian logo was not the target for 15 but it doe snot change the result
vmassol - (14:28): personally I don't see the atalssian logo in it
gvallarelli - (14:29): mmm
lucaa - (14:29): well, I think of how I would describe them in words
vmassol - (14:29): a person lifting the world on its shoulders
vmassol - (14:29): (ie atlas)
lucaa - (14:29): atlassian logo: "an X-like little man trying to hold the world on his shoulders"
lucaa - (14:29): 15 logo: "an X-like little man, jumping"
vmassol - (14:30): 15: a happy man
lucaa - (14:31): ok, try another exercise: try to draw them schematically with a pen on a paper
vmassol - (14:31): but indeed "man" is the common theme, depends if we want to be completely different or not$
lucaa - (14:31): besides more bend for 15, they're roughly the same
vmassol - (14:31): they're a man
lucaa - (14:31): yes
vmassol - (14:31): that's only common part
lucaa - (14:31): shaped like an X
vmassol - (14:31): the only common part
lucaa - (14:31): shaped like an X is also common
vmassol - (14:31): yes
vmassol - (14:32): with a head
vmassol - (14:32): arms
vmassol - (14:32): legs
tmortagne - (14:32): i think we do want to be completely different
tmortagne - (14:32): better be too close to xwikisas than atlassian...
vmassol - (14:32): sure that's why I chose ciprian's option 3 in my vote
vmassol - (14:33): actually 12B
vmassol - (14:33): (from the list of proposal 12)
vmassol - (14:33): ADE being close to xwiki sas
vmassol - (14:33): B and C being ok
vmassol - (14:34): personally I think we should redo the vote completely
vmassol - (14:34): and remove all logos similar to xwiki.com or atalssian
tmortagne - (14:35): yep
tmortagne - (14:35): there is many vote for 15 that could have been for others logos in in the current head list
vmassol - (14:36): yes
tmortagne - (14:36): s/in in/not in/
lucaa - (14:36): but isn't that a bit late for that?
vmassol - (14:36): never too later
vmassol - (14:36): late
tmortagne - (14:36): way lat ?
lucaa - (14:36): I mean why didn't we eliminate them when we had the chance?
tmortagne - (14:36): s/way/why/
vmassol - (14:36): because we didn't listen?
lucaa - (14:36): we suddenly realised they're in final and we don't want them there?
vmassol - (14:36): I raised the pb for logos 12 already
vmassol - (14:37): lucaa: but yes
vmassol - (14:37): because we realized some are going to cause problems
tmortagne - (14:37): lucaa: i said in my first vote 15 was too close to atlassian, it's not new
vmassol - (14:37): yes we both said it
lucaa - (14:37): tmortagne: I think I said too
vmassol - (14:37): see
vmassol - (14:37): :)
lucaa - (14:37): but why did we start the vote with them in
lucaa - (14:37): I wonde
lucaa - (14:37): r
vmassol - (14:37): because sergiu wanted to start the vote
vmassol - (14:37): I guess
vmassol - (14:37): since he's leading this
lucaa - (14:38): lemme check the mails
vmassol - (14:38): but whatever happend isn't important
vmassol - (14:38): what's important is the future
tmortagne - (14:38): yes anyway we can vote as many time we want, that's an important cote
vmassol - (14:38): so I'd do round 2 with the same logos but removing some
tmortagne - (14:38): *vote
vmassol - (14:39): then we'll have round3
tmortagne - (14:39): +
tmortagne - (14:39): +1
anamarias - (14:39): hi
anamarias - (14:40): any idea why making a request like this:
anamarias - (14:40):   #set($url = "$xwiki.getURL('Cockpit2.VocabularyLivetableResults')?xpage=plain&outputSyntax=plain&transprefix=bsg.vocabularyentry.&vocabulary=${vocabularyName}&type=other&collist=${colstr}")
anamarias - (14:40):   $url
anamarias - (14:40): with output:
anamarias - (14:41): would print in Cockpit2.VocabularyLivetableResults
anamarias - (14:41): the vocabulary parameter
anamarias - (14:41): #set($name = "$!request.vocabulary")
anamarias - (14:41): $name
anamarias - (14:41): like this: garçon or étalage 5
anamarias - (14:42): on the page making the request, $url, prints: glossary/bin/view/Cockpit2/VocabularyLivetableResults?xpage=plain&outputSyntax=plain&transprefix=bsg.vocabularyentry.&vocabulary=garçon or étalage 5&type=other&collist=doc.title,doc.date,_action
anamarias - (14:42): so **garçon or étalage 5** and not **garçon or étalage 5**
vmassol - (14:43): you need to encode it
vmassol - (14:43): $vocabularyName isn't URL-encoded
anamarias - (14:43): in JS ?
vmassol - (14:43): colstr would need to be encoded too if it can contain special chars
anamarias - (14:44): with encodeURIComponent?
vmassol - (14:44): this is velocity
vmassol - (14:44): not js
vmassol - (14:44): $escapetool.url($vocabularyName)
anamarias - (14:44): hmm
anamarias - (14:45): this one I didn't try
anamarias - (14:49): vmassol: it's still not working
anamarias - (14:49): I do:
anamarias - (14:50):   #set($url = "$xwiki.getURL('Cockpit2.VocabularyLivetableResults')?xpage=plain&outputSyntax=plain&transprefix=bsg.vocabularyentry.&vocabulary=${encVocabularyName}&type=other&collist=${colstr}")
anamarias - (14:50):   $encVocabularyName --> $url
anamarias - (14:50):   #set($options = { "url":"$url",
anamarias - (14:50):                   "tagCloud" : true, "rowCount": 25 })
anamarias - (14:50): which prints:
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anamarias - (14:50): gar%C3%A7on+or+%C3%A9talage+5 > /glossary/bin/view/Cockpit2/VocabularyLivetableResults?xpage=plain&outputSyntax=plain&transprefix=bsg.vocabularyentry.&vocabulary=gar%C3%A7on+or+%C3%A9talage+5&type=other&collist=doc.title,doc.date,_actions,
vmassol - (14:50): yep
vmassol - (14:50): the url is good now
anamarias - (14:51): I'm in a {{velocity}} {{html wiki="true" clean="false"}} tag
anamarias - (14:51): but on the other side, I still get:
anamarias - (14:51): garçon or étalage 5
vmassol - (14:51): I don't know, all I can tell you is that the URL is good and valid
anamarias - (14:51): I only do: #set($vocabularySpace = "$!request.vocabulary")
anamarias - (14:51): $vocabularySpace
anamarias - (14:52): I'm in a simple {{velocity}} macro here, no {{html}} macro
vmassol - (14:53): you need to look at the livetable code (I assume you're using a livetable) or ask someone who knows how it works
vmassol - (14:53): I didn't even know there was a url option for the livetable!
anamarias - (14:53): if livetable uses prototype, prototype encodes automatically the parameters
vmassol - (14:54): no idea
anamarias - (14:54): so encoding the parameters doesn't help
anamarias - (14:54): this is an instance of XE which has been modified
anamarias - (14:55): on our version of XE this works
anamarias - (14:55): what could be wrong with the new one??
anamarias - (14:56): is some encoding customizable for the wiki pages at any level?
tmortagne - (14:56): what are the different versions ?
anamarias - (14:56): 2.0.1 for the normal one that works fine
tmortagne - (14:56): and what is the XWiki encoding ?
anamarias - (14:56): and a very modified 2.0.2 , on which this doesn't work
tmortagne - (14:56): UTF8 is noth ?
anamarias - (14:56): where can I see this?
anamarias - (14:57): (no idea)
tmortagne - (14:57): at some point we made URL paser to unsecape URL in UTF8 always where is used to be based on the Xwiki encoding configuration previously
tmortagne - (14:57): but i don't remember in which version
tmortagne - (14:58): the encoding is in the xwiki.cfg
vmassol - (14:58): there have also been several fixes re encoding in the livetable in recent releases I think
anamarias - (14:58): this weird behaviour happens with all AJAX GET requests with prototype
anamarias - (14:58): with AJAX POST requests it works
anamarias - (14:59): but as livetable uses GET... the livetable don't work with special characters
anamarias - (15:00): it this it:
anamarias - (15:00): #-# The encoding to use when transformin strings to and from byte arrays. This causes the jvm encoding to be ignored,
anamarias - (15:00): #-# since we want to be independend of the underlying system.
anamarias - (15:00): xwiki.encoding=UTF-8
anamarias - (15:00): ?
vmassol - (15:00): anamarias: btw you should the $xwiki.getURL() signature that takes a query string
anamarias - (15:02): in this case it works with the .getURL(), but there are many ajax requests that are formed on the client side in JS, and I need to form them like this
vmassol - (15:02): this is really bad practice
vmassol - (15:02): but you can do as you want of course
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anamarias - (15:03): how is it correct then, on the JS side ? :)
anamarias - (15:03): I'll do it like that
vmassol - (15:04): what you've shown is velocity not js
vmassol - (15:04): I'm only commenting on that
vmassol - (15:04): the reason it's bad practice is because we have a url service to create valid urls
vmassol - (15:04): I have no idea if we have this in js too or not
anamarias - (15:06): ok, still the problem is not about that
vmassol - (15:06): note that it would perform the encoding for you I think
vmassol - (15:07): (at least it should, and if it doesn't it's a bug)
anamarias - (15:08): I was saying that in a clean version of XE it works fine
vmassol - (15:08): what version?
anamarias - (15:08): but my question is: what kind of changes to XE could make this not work?
anamarias - (15:08): 2.0.1 works
gmpff - (15:08): hi
anamarias - (15:08): modified 2.0.2 does not work
vmassol - (15:09): and not modified 2.0.2?
anamarias - (15:09): wdym?
gmpff - (15:10): Why does XWiki not include a "WWW-Authenticate" header in its HTTP 401 response ?
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vmassol - (15:11): gmpff: no idea but I can find this code:
vmassol - (15:11):         if (loginAttempts <= MAX_ATTEMPTS) {
vmassol - (15:11):             response.setHeader("WWW-Authenticate", "BASIC realm=\"" + realmName + "\"");
vmassol - (15:11): (in MyBasicAuthenticator.java)
gmpff - (15:12): hmmmm
gmpff - (15:13): thanks. Interesting. Strictly speaking, it should always include that header (if I read the RFC correctly).
gmpff - (15:13): I'll look into the code.
vmassol - (15:15): ok
vmassol - (15:18): wow PUMA-based :)
vmassol - (15:18): nice name
tmortagne - (15:20): note mine :)
tmortagne - (15:20): IBM choose the name for their API
vmassol - (15:20): I know
tmortagne - (15:21): but yes nice name
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sdumitriu - (16:16): Hi again
gvallarelli - (16:21): hi sdumitriu
sdumitriu - (16:23): vmassol, tmortagne: I didn't want to start the votes, it was scheduled like this, the schedule was voted
sdumitriu - (16:23): I did ask if we want to remove any other logos
sdumitriu - (16:24): And nobody complained about 12 or 15 at that moment
sdumitriu - (16:24): Next, I don't think that a resemblance is that bad
sdumitriu - (16:25): A new round of votes would hurt us
sdumitriu - (16:25): People will say that we're not taking things seriously
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gvallarelli - (16:44): I've uploaded my proposal for GSoC in a google documents
gvallarelli - (16:44): can be viewed here
gvallarelli - (16:44): http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AajwTC2Bps4GZGczcjJ2MndfMGNoOTZwN2tt&hl=en
gvallarelli - (16:46): *document
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vmassol - (17:46): upgrading and restarting hudson
vmassol - (18:00): hudson is back, I've forced a rebuild of xwiki-core
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factor - (18:06): is the admin of xwiki the admin of tomcat?
sdumitriu - (18:06): No
factor - (18:07): where do I setup admin username and password
factor - (18:07): in the database.
sdumitriu - (18:08): You don't do stuff in the database
sdumitriu - (18:08): It's like manipulating disk blocks to write to a file
factor - (18:08): when you create it
sdumitriu - (18:08): What kind of admin are you talking about?
factor - (18:08): xwiki admin
sdumitriu - (18:09): If it's the default Admin user of the wiki, then you have two choices:
sdumitriu - (18:09): Import the default XAR, which contains an Admin user with the password 'admin'
factor - (18:09): yeah I found it when I created the wiki db
sdumitriu - (18:09): Or just register a new user
factor - (18:09): oh
factor - (18:10): you are correct
factor - (18:10): thanks
factor - (18:15): really nice admin wiki
factor - (18:18): on skin to choose another I change the name from XWiki.DefaultSkin to XWiki.finch
factor - (18:18): nice it worked
jvelociter - (18:20): sdumitriu: http://twitter.com/sdumitriu/status/11432234902 that's your April fool ?
jvelociter - (18:20): :)
sdumitriu - (18:21): Why? Don't you agree?
jvelociter - (18:22): well, more or less, yes. But do YOU agree ? we've never know you a big mac os fan
sdumitriu - (18:22): Personally I don't find MacOS that easy to use, but that's the general perspective
jvelociter - (18:22): ok
vmassol1 - (18:22): sdumitriu: you've been pawned!
sdumitriu - (18:23): If I said XWiki, the KDE of..., few people would have known what I'm talking about
vmassol1 - (18:23): where's guillaume?
jvelociter - (18:23): lol
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gvallarelli - (18:28): XWiki the Ubuntu of Wiki engines
sdumitriu - (18:29): Nope, Ubuntu sux
vmassol1 - (18:29): yes, a flame war!
gvallarelli - (18:29): XWiki the ferrari of Wiki engines
vmassol1 - (18:29): go go go
sdumitriu - (18:29): Heh, not quite
vmassol1 - (18:29): gvallarelli: wait for us to improve our perfs more first ;)
sdumitriu - (18:29): It's kind of slow
vmassol1 - (18:30): XWiki the Wolkswagen of Wiki engines would be more accurate
gvallarelli - (18:30): but ferrari it's not about velocity is also about design
vmassol1 - (18:30): since it's for the people
gvallarelli - (18:30): LOL
jvelociter - (18:30): XWiki the perl of wiki engines ?
gvallarelli - (18:30): wait I have a better image
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vmassol1 - (18:30): you mean pearl?
vmassol1 - (18:31): because perl sucks
vmassol1 - (18:31): :)
vmassol1 - (18:31): (as sergiu would put it)
vmassol1 - (18:31): ;)
gvallarelli - (18:31): http://www.cubiccapacity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/fiat-cinquecento-500.jpg
gvallarelli - (18:31): :D
vmassol1 - (18:32): this is better: http://images.mds.prd.skynet.be/NewsFolder/original/SKY20091012030359AL.jpg
vmassol1 - (18:32): this car was very customizable
gvallarelli - (18:32): bleah
jvelociter - (18:32): vmassol1: I meant perl.  you can do about anything with it, you just have to know how
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sdumitriu - (18:33): Yes, +1, perl is nice
vmassol - (18:33): same as assembly language
sdumitriu - (18:33): Yes, that too
vmassol - (18:33): you can do anything with it
vmassol - (18:33): :)
sdumitriu - (18:33): Each language has its strenghts and weaknesses
jvelociter - (18:34): lol. you can do anything _easily_
sdumitriu - (18:34): Different people appreciate different strengths
vmassol - (18:36): french are the people who eat the most pizzas. did you know that?
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vmassol - (18:36): 10 times more than italians
gvallarelli - (18:37): :O
gvallarelli - (18:37): AssertTrue(Italian food > Rest of the World food) => True
gvallarelli - (18:37): :D
vmassol - (18:39): I wish that were true…. I never ate so badly than when I visited Venice but then you're going to tell me that's a tourist place ;)
sdumitriu - (18:39): Assertion failure
gvallarelli - (18:40): vmassol, I'm sorry but you have a bad experience regarding Italian food
gvallarelli - (18:41): however Italian food products are really good
vmassol - (18:41): I love italian food don't worry
gvallarelli - (18:41): I can't say the same for other things
gvallarelli - (18:41): vmassol, have you ever visited florence?
vmassol - (18:42): not yet
sdumitriu - (18:42): vmassol: What's the conclusion regarding logos?
vmassol - (18:42): sdumitriu: I don't agree with you… :)
gvallarelli - (18:42): so go to Florence you will love it
sdumitriu - (18:42): vmassol: I don't agree with you... :)
vmassol - (18:42): yes I know
vmassol - (18:42): you already said it
gvallarelli - (18:42): ehehe
vmassol - (18:42): which is fine
gvallarelli - (18:43): how solve these disputes in open source communities?
vmassol - (18:43): duel
sdumitriu - (18:43): Sword fight
vmassol - (18:43): with pistols
vmassol - (18:43): ok sword if you want, you choose the arms this time
gvallarelli - (18:43): ...
gvallarelli - (18:43): sword like monkey island
gvallarelli - (18:43): ?
vmassol - (18:43): it's easy
gvallarelli - (18:43): :D
vmassol - (18:44): someone says ?1 and the discussion stops
sdumitriu - (18:44): gvallarelli: We try to convince each other, and get to a consensus
vmassol - (18:44): I'll bribe him in the back
sdumitriu - (18:44): If we can't do that, we wait a couple of weeks, until the other party forgets what he voted
vmassol - (18:44): like I'll promise to say linux is better that mac osx or something like this
sdumitriu - (18:44): And then we propose again the same thing
gvallarelli - (18:45): nooo vmassol
gvallarelli - (18:45): not bribe not
vmassol - (18:46): sdumitriu: I don't find it fair we rejected proposal Y and not 15
vmassol - (18:46): and for 12 the pb is not for me
vmassol - (18:46): I'm from xwiki sas so I don't mind
vmassol - (18:46): but for others not related to xwiki sas
vmassol - (18:47): (12A, D, E that is)
gvallarelli - (18:47): it's a serious problem to have a logo similar to XWiki sas?
jvelociter - (18:47): my 2 cents : for me 15 is acceptable why Y was not.
gvallarelli - (18:47): I agree
sdumitriu - (18:48): Well, we can let them in the second round, and you can strongly voice your opinion in the first vote sent
jvelociter - (18:48): for Y it's the first thing you notice the similitude
jvelociter - (18:48): for 15 you have to put them next to each other, it does not come to your mind otherwise
jvelociter - (18:48): and it's very light
vmassol - (18:48): still
sdumitriu - (18:48): Yes, Y is close visually, 15 is close conceptually
vmassol - (18:48): better be safe than sorry probably
vmassol - (18:48): it always harm when you change an identtiy
jvelociter - (18:49): safe against what ?
vmassol - (18:49): so better reduce the number of times you do so
vmassol - (18:49): safe against them asking us to remove it
jvelociter - (18:49): we should ask a lawyer
vmassol - (18:49): them = atlassian or xwiki sas
jvelociter - (18:50): I think it's different enough to not be an issue
jvelociter - (18:50): but I'm no expert
vmassol - (18:50): and since this is now logged we can't say we didn't know... ooops
jvelociter - (18:50): lol
jvelociter - (18:50): maybe the ircbot won't work today
vmassol - (18:50): hehe
vmassol - (18:50): or maybe some logs will be lost
vmassol - (18:50): it happens
jvelociter - (18:50): yes
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jvelociter - (18:51): it's just programs coded by human
vmassol - (18:51): right
jvelociter - (18:51): sometime it does not work :)
vmassol - (18:51): with bugs
sdumitriu - (18:52): Bye gvallarelli
sdumitriu - (18:53): Well, from SAS only Silvia and Thibaut voted for 12A
vmassol - (18:54): did they know about the xwiki sas logo?
vmassol - (18:54): becuase if you don't know about it it's ok
vmassol - (18:54): (I mean it's nice)
vmassol - (18:54): I think we should have put it in the vote page
sdumitriu - (18:54): Thomas, Ciprian and Oana (big votes) for 12E
vmassol - (18:54): and said it should be completely different
sdumitriu - (18:54): I think it was
vmassol - (18:54): especially since it's the main reason of the logo change
vmassol - (18:54): :)
vmassol - (18:55): I mean visually
sdumitriu - (18:55): Well, not "completely different", but it said that the current logo should not appear in it
vmassol - (18:55): ah well it's the current xiwki.org logo so they should know I guess
sdumitriu - (18:55): Yves, Guillaume, Emilie, Denis with 15
sdumitriu - (18:56): So, we can bribe them not to vote with 12 or 15
jvelociter - (18:57): so in the end only 16 is valid in the second round, is that what you say ?
jvelociter - (18:57): :p
sdumitriu - (18:57): In that case we need more than 4 finalists, since 3 are already forbidden
sdumitriu - (18:57): Well, I do root for 16, but that's not the right way to do it
sdumitriu - (18:57): :D
jvelociter - (18:57): (I like 16 a lot, but I also like 15 very much, and I think I would vote for it if allowed)
sdumitriu - (18:58): So, 4A and 19 are also finalists
sdumitriu - (18:59): Should we also allow -1 to be counted this round?
sdumitriu - (18:59): Like, 1 +1, at most 2 -1?
sdumitriu - (19:00): Where -1 is not a veto, just a negative vote
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sdumitriu - (19:00): Of course, -1 must be well justified
factor - (19:03): what is xwiki watch?
vmassol - (19:03): http://watch.xwiki.org/
factor - (19:03): ok
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factor - (19:03): xwiki's skin looks better than my toucan setting
factor - (19:04): oh wait I see the top panel in the xwiki's theme is gone
factor - (19:04): cool will just have to remove it
sdumitriu - (19:04): factor: You mean xwiki.org?
factor - (19:04): yes
factor - (19:06): how do you install a plugin they are not xar they are jar format.
sdumitriu - (19:06): factor: Copy them on the server, in xwiki/WEB-INF/lib
sdumitriu - (19:06): Then restart the container
factor - (19:06): and that is it
sdumitriu - (19:06): Yes
factor - (19:06): ok thanks
sdumitriu - (19:07): Unless there is something special documented in the plugin's documentation
sdumitriu - (19:07): Actually, if it's a plugin, and not a component, you must also add its name in xwiki/WEB-INF/xwiki.cfg
sdumitriu - (19:08): Team (vmassol): Do you agree with http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/LogoChallengeRound2 ?
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factor - (19:12): ahh ok
vmassol - (19:12): oops wrong link
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vmassol - (19:15): sdumitriu: are you asking me if I 've changed my mind? because I still see the logos that are similar to xwiki.com/atlassian
sdumitriu - (19:15): Yes
sdumitriu - (19:16): :)
sdumitriu - (19:16): Well, I was hoping you didn't notice them and say "yes"
sdumitriu - (19:16): :p
vmassol - (19:16): hehe
vmassol - (19:16): good trick
sdumitriu - (19:16): Not really
sdumitriu - (19:16): But, the level of resemblance is subjective
sdumitriu - (19:17): For me, 15 is not at all like the Atlassian one
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sdumitriu - (19:18): So I don't agree with discarding 12 and 15 out of the blue
sdumitriu - (19:18): After doing so well in the community
sdumitriu - (19:18): Like gvallarelli said, 16 looks like the Wii logo to him
sdumitriu - (19:19): So we discard that one too, and what do we have left?
vmassol - (19:19): wii?
vmassol - (19:19): http://images.google.com/images?q=wii%20logo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
sdumitriu - (19:19): All logos resemble partially something else
sdumitriu - (19:19): More or less, depending on who's comparing
vmassol - (19:19): with that reasoning you bring back Y
vmassol - (19:19): which I liked a lot
sdumitriu - (19:20): Well, that one really was obvious
vmassol - (19:20): ahah so it's not subjective any more ? :)
sdumitriu - (19:20): I liked it too
sdumitriu - (19:20): It is subjective, but closer to objective :D
vmassol - (19:20): well 3 persons today said that 15 was looking like the atlassian logo
factor - (19:21): is xwiki form builder built in
vmassol - (19:21): factor: kind of
sdumitriu - (19:21): Even the author (of Y) agreed that it does look like the atlassian one
vmassol - (19:21): we're lucky atlassian didn't use a simple X as their logo
vmassol - (19:21): :)
vmassol - (19:22): to be honest, I don't know enough about ressemblance so for me:
gvallarelli - (19:22): but it's not possible to get more proposal?
vmassol - (19:22): 1) either we ask someone who knows and then maybe bring back Y if it's ok
sdumitriu - (19:22): Well, if 3 people said that 15 is bad, they'll -1 on it
gvallarelli - (19:22): for example contact some gnome or kde artist?
vmassol - (19:22): 2) or we don't propose any logo that ressembles an existing logo
gvallarelli - (19:22): and make a logo?
sdumitriu - (19:23): gvallarelli: Well, the schedule is fixed
vmassol - (19:23): let me check your ?1 rule
gvallarelli - (19:23): I know but I have two names
sdumitriu - (19:23): We could just drop it and go on an neverending search for a logo
gvallarelli - (19:23): nuno pinheiro
gvallarelli - (19:23): jakub steiner
gvallarelli - (19:23): both design icons
vmassol - (19:23): I don't see it
sdumitriu - (19:24): gvallarelli: Are they interesting in participating?
gvallarelli - (19:24): we can contact them
sdumitriu - (19:24): vmassol: Yes, forgot to put it in the page
gvallarelli - (19:24): it's floss software anyway
vmassol - (19:25): it's too late IMO
vmassol - (19:25): they can participate for the new logo after we choose this one and we've been asked by a company to remove it ;)
gvallarelli - (19:26): don't like this option
gvallarelli - (19:26): problem hiding :D
sdumitriu - (19:26): vmassol: Added
sdumitriu - (19:27): vmassol: Are you sure that 12 or 15 will be the winner?
vmassol - (19:27): not but if they are you'll say that we can't ask people to vote again because blah blah
vmassol - (19:27): (which I don't agree on btw)
sdumitriu - (19:27): You can personally try to convince everyone who votes for 12 to change his mind
vmassol - (19:28): then I'll draw the god argument
vmassol - (19:28): and say ?1
vmassol - (19:28): which will prevent it to be used
vmassol - (19:28): :)
vmassol - (19:28): since xwiki.org is governed by the committers
sdumitriu - (19:28): Well, we wouldn't be in this situation if you raised this when I asked about what logos to discard
vmassol - (19:28): sdumitriu: errare humanum est
gvallarelli - (19:29): vmassol, +1 for latin
vmassol - (19:29): gvallarelli: I did it for you
vmassol - (19:29): :)
gvallarelli - (19:29): perseverare autem diabolicum
gvallarelli - (19:29): :D
vmassol - (19:29): hehe
sdumitriu - (19:30): Alea iacta est
sdumitriu - (19:30): ;)
vmassol - (19:30): tu quoque filius?
gvallarelli - (19:30): Cicero
vmassol - (19:31): ah it's mi filii actually
gvallarelli - (19:31): De catilinae coniuratione
gvallarelli - (19:31): If I remember well
gvallarelli - (19:31): I think that's a problem here a philosophical problem
vmassol - (19:31): my wife is a latin teacher btw, too bad she isn't here... ;)
gvallarelli - (19:33): I think the formal rule should be declined in favour of substance
gvallarelli - (19:33): the formal rule is the basic final term to submit proposal
gvallarelli - (19:34): the substance is to have a good logo that is unique
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sdumitriu - (19:35): Goodness and uniqueness are also subjective
gvallarelli - (19:35): the rules should reconcile substance not viceversa
gvallarelli - (19:35): the rules are made for the substance
sdumitriu - (19:36): Well, as vmassol said, changing the logo is not something that should be done monthly
gvallarelli - (19:36): ok so restart to accept new proposals
sdumitriu - (19:36): And we decided to do it now
sdumitriu - (19:36): gvallarelli: First, do we have new proposals?
gvallarelli - (19:36): no I'm not a graphic designer
gvallarelli - (19:37): but I think we should contact artists to create some concepts
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gvallarelli - (19:38): that are different from competitors'logo
gvallarelli - (19:38): *logos
vmassol1 - (19:38): gvallarelli: that's what we did!
vmassol1 - (19:38): why would we want to start over?
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sdumitriu - (19:39): We can't ask all designers
factor - (19:39): ok getting the hang of it using the velocity code to do forms and it is working
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sdumitriu - (19:39): And we'll forever find new people that didn't find out about this the first (or second, or third) time
gvallarelli - (19:39): sdumitriu, no only designers who commits to open source projects
vmassol1 - (19:40): gvallarelli: it doesn't matter, we're not looking for the best logo ever
sdumitriu - (19:40): Each project has its designers
vmassol1 - (19:40): we just want a good enough logo
vmassol1 - (19:40): preferably done by the community
sdumitriu - (19:40): We could ask mozilla designers, eclipse designers, kde designers, gnome designers...
sdumitriu - (19:40): But Firefox and Eclipse also did the same thing as we did
sdumitriu - (19:41): Plan a schedule and stick to it
gvallarelli - (19:41): In medio stat virtus
sdumitriu - (19:41): Announce the challenge, see what comes in
gvallarelli - (19:41): or aurea mediocritas
sdumitriu - (19:42): And, it's hard from someone not from the community to come with a good logo, one that represents XWiki well
gvallarelli - (19:42): I don't think so
gvallarelli - (19:42): designers could create logo based on concept or idea
gvallarelli - (19:43): for example I have an idea about a logo
gvallarelli - (19:43): but I'm not able to realize it
gvallarelli - (19:43): :(
sdumitriu - (19:43): Collaborate
sdumitriu - (19:43): The first step was about concepts, not designs
sdumitriu - (19:44): You could have proposed a pen-on-paper+camera logo
gvallarelli - (19:44): my idea is about an hand that take a pen and draw an X
gvallarelli - (19:44): on a paper background
gvallarelli - (19:44): a stylized hand
sdumitriu - (19:45): vmassol1: Agree with the -1 votes?
sdumitriu - (19:46): vmassol1: Shall we vote on how to vote? :D
sdumitriu - (19:46): Let's vote if we should vote on how to vote
sdumitriu - (19:47): Dictatorship rules...
sdumitriu - (19:47): Democracy is hard
gvallarelli - (19:47): maybe another idea is to realize something inspired by Wikipedia logo
gvallarelli - (19:48): puzzle pieces that more hands compose
gvallarelli - (19:48): to create the word XWiki
gvallarelli - (19:49): I don't know why but all the designed proposal stick with the X of XWiki
vmassol1 - (19:49): gvallarelli: we have enough proposals already
vmassol1 - (19:50): we can do another challenge next year
gvallarelli - (19:51): I've found my design idea image
gvallarelli - (19:51): http://www.turnkeytm.com/images/puzzle-piece.png
gvallarelli - (19:51): the final piece represent that hand insert into is the piece that contains the letter X
sdumitriu - (19:52): That is not a logo
sdumitriu - (19:52): That's a big banner
gvallarelli - (19:52): it's an idea
gvallarelli - (19:52): it's not a proposal
sdumitriu - (19:53): Yes, an idea for a banner
sdumitriu - (19:54): Logos need to be simple
sdumitriu - (19:54): Simple graphics
sdumitriu - (19:54): Few lines
sdumitriu - (19:55): Ideally, a logo should be drawable by hand from memory after seeing it for 1 minute
gvallarelli - (19:55): wait :D
gvallarelli - (19:55): gimp 101
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sdumitriu - (19:57): vmassol1: 3 more minutes to veto the round 2
vmassol1 - (19:57): nope
vmassol1 - (19:57): 71 hours left
vmassol1 - (19:57): :)
vmassol1 - (19:58): I'd like to see others' opinions
sdumitriu - (19:58): Except the finalists, do you agree with the rest? Schedule, rules
vmassol1 - (19:58): other committers opinions that is
sdumitriu - (19:58): Me too, but nobody's speaking
vmassol1 - (19:59): not sure about your voting rules
vmassol1 - (19:59): seems like everyone hsould ?1
vmassol1 - (19:59): to give more change to the logo they prefer
sdumitriu - (19:59): Looks like there are some committers here
sdumitriu - (19:59): CalebJamesDeLisl: Denis: mflorea: voices needed
sdumitriu - (20:00): vmassol1: Well, they need strong arguments to make their -1 count
vmassol1 - (20:00): i don't really understand the rationale for the ?1 votes
mflorea - (20:01): sdumitriu: wdym?
vmassol1 - (20:01): you vote for stuff not against
vmassol1 - (20:01): what we need to agree *before* the vote is about the logos with ressemblances
sdumitriu - (20:01): vmassol1: Well, this was just so that you can make your opinion about 12 count
sdumitriu - (20:01): mflorea: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/LogoChallengeRound2
mflorea - (20:02): sdumitriu: I haven't followed the discussion
mflorea - (20:02): ok, let me read
sdumitriu - (20:02): vmassol1: We did agree before, you just didn't pay attention
sdumitriu - (20:03): mflorea: The debate is about proposals 12 and 15; Vincent thinks that 12 resembles the current logo too much and should be discarded, tmortagne thinks that 15 resembles Atlassian too much and should be discarded
sdumitriu - (20:04): So, options are:
sdumitriu - (20:04): 1/ elliminate 12 and 15 now, although they are the most popular, and continue the second round with the following 3-4 most voted proposals
sdumitriu - (20:04): 2/ elliminate 12 and 15 and start the vote again
sdumitriu - (20:04): 3/ keep them and live with the result
vmassol1 - (20:05): not all 12 sdumitriu, just the one with the same concepts
sdumitriu - (20:05): 4/ better ideas welcome
vmassol1 - (20:05): s/concepts/concept/
vmassol1 - (20:05): sorry guys, dinner time here, bb after
gvallarelli - (20:06): http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6131/logo.png
gvallarelli - (20:06): It could be stylized by an artist
gvallarelli - (20:06): but this is my idea
gvallarelli - (20:07): it recalls wikipedia logo
sdumitriu - (20:07): Going to cook, too
mflorea - (20:07): sdumitriu: it's difficult. neither 12 nor 15 is my favorite so I'm ok to remove them both, but some (many possibly) people won't like it.
mflorea - (20:07): favorite=IMO they don't deserve to be the XWiki logo
sdumitriu - (20:07): Yes, my point exactly, it's not nice to just drop them
mflorea - (20:08): on the other hand, if we leave them, then there is a big chance one of them will win.. in which case will be too late to refuse it
mflorea - (20:14): sdumitriu: might be good to gather all the remarks for each of the final logos and add them on the proposal page, mentioning the author of the remark. This way when someone looks at a logo can see what others have said about it and can make the right decision. WDYT? Mentioning that logo XYZ looks too close to the current logo, or that logo ABC doesn't look good on black&white might help people take the best decision.
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sdumitriu - (20:15): mflorea: Sounds good
mflorea - (20:15): following all the mails related to the vote is not easy
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gvallarelli - (21:05): got to go
gvallarelli - (21:05): goodbye
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mflorea - (21:17): sdumitriu: any reason why ActionFilter is not applied to INCLUDE and FORWARD? (like RequestRestorer or SetCharacterEncoding)
mflorea - (21:17): s/applied/mapped
sdumitriu - (21:19): I think it would be recursive
mflorea - (21:19): I see that only DavFilter and ActionDispatcher (web.ActionFilter) are mapped just to the URL *
mflorea - (21:19): hmm, I see
sdumitriu - (21:20): Unless we create a special request object without the action
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mflorea - (21:25): Right, it forwards the request with the action_* parameter. Could we wrap the request to "hide" these parameters, and forward the wrapped request? It depends if these parameters are required further, during action processing.
mflorea - (21:27): or alternatively add a guard. I need this filter to be mapped to include/forward too in order to edit a page from a portlet, which dispatches the action (e.g. save&view).
mflorea - (21:30): btw, the form action URL is not changed anymore from JavaScript, right? The ActionFilter is the only one dispatching the submit request to the right action, is it?
sdumitriu - (21:31): Yes
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sdumitriu - (22:40): lucaa, jvdrean: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/LogoChallengeRound2
sdumitriu - (22:40): The debate is about proposals 12 and 15; Vincent thinks that 12 resembles the current logo too much and should be discarded, tmortagne thinks that 15 resembles Atlassian too much and should be discarded
sdumitriu - (22:40): (08:04:17 PM) sdumitriu: So, options are:
sdumitriu - (22:40): (08:04:17 PM) sdumitriu: 1/ elliminate 12 and 15 now, although they are the most popular, and continue the second round with the following 3-4 most voted proposals
sdumitriu - (22:40): (08:04:17 PM) sdumitriu: 2/ elliminate 12 and 15 and start the vote again
sdumitriu - (22:40): (08:04:17 PM) sdumitriu: 3/ keep them and live with the result
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lucaa - (22:44): sdumitriu: i'm reading history now
lucaa - (22:49): (among various conversations about which programming language car or operating system rocks more)
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vmassol1 - (22:58): night time for me, nn
vmassol1 - (22:58): fyi http://blog.hibernate.org/15040.lace
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jvdrean - (23:25): sdumitriu: I agree with Jerome, I don't see the issue with 15
lucaa - (23:25): sdumitriu: about the logos thing, I don't like very much the idea of eliminating now. I also don't like very much the idea of restarting the vote because we realize that, "oh these proposals which we failed to firmly eliminate have made it to the final", I also think the resemblance on 15 is arguable, eliminating it would be forced since not everybody agrees it's a strong resemblance.
lucaa - (23:26): So i'd rather go for 3/ but as mflorea suggested, we should make sure we centralize all comments in the logos page, so that voters could see them, and are aware of these discussions when they vote
jvdrean - (23:26): +1 for 3/ as well
lucaa - (23:26): also, I propose we add a "draw by hand on a paper" challenge to all logos (besides the icon, black-white and other requirements)
sdumitriu - (23:27): +1
lucaa - (23:27): sdumitriu: what for? :)
jvdrean - (23:28): lucaa: I don't really see the point of being able to draw a logo by hand on paper
sdumitriu - (23:28): For draw by hand
sdumitriu - (23:28): jvdrean: It means the logo is memorable and reproductible
jvdrean - (23:28): http://www.redhat.com/g/chrome/logo_rh_home.png
jvdrean - (23:29): just to name one
lucaa - (23:29): jvdrean: and it means it has distinctive properties, like shape or something else
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lucaa - (23:29): jvdrean: I'm not saying it should be eliminatory, i'm just saying it's a nice to have
jvdrean - (23:29): good luck with that one too http://www.coca-cola.com/template1/images/coke_red_wbg.png :)
jvdrean - (23:30): sure it'd be nice to have, ok
lucaa - (23:30): oh, coca cola is not that hard
lucaa - (23:30): I mean, it doesn't have to be the same, it has to be recognizable
sdumitriu - (23:30): Wasn't the stripe/wave their thing?
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lucaa - (23:31): for example, jvdrean, old logo is very very good from this pov, I could basically put dots around any X and made the the XWiki X
sdumitriu - (23:31): And that's why the Nike logo is more famous than the RedHat one
lucaa - (23:32): ;0
lucaa - (23:32): :)
lucaa - (23:33): however, I don't think designers should draw themselves, they're too good drawers
lucaa - (23:33): let's make vmassol draw :)
sdumitriu - (23:33): Or vmassol's kids
lucaa - (23:33): yeah, let's use a kid
lucaa - (23:38): also sdumitriu
lucaa - (23:39): do you think it makes sense to give more credit to the votes from "community members"? (although I have no clue whatsoever about how I would define that)
lucaa - (23:39): I mean, I'm thinking that any contestant who'd want their logo win ask some random friends to vote
lucaa - (23:39): or even some voter, any voter, who'd want their favourite to win...
sdumitriu - (23:40): Yes, I thought about too
sdumitriu - (23:40): Meritocratic vote
sdumitriu - (23:40): But...
sdumitriu - (23:40): That's not very open
sdumitriu - (23:40): We'll see if we need this in the end
lucaa - (23:41): yes, let's assume we're all fairplay until we're shown otherwise
sdumitriu - (23:42): lucaa: You can give extra points to all the students in your groups that vote for the logo you want :p
lucaa - (23:42): yeah, oh yeah, (haven't thought about it but it's not such a bad idea)
lucaa - (23:43): except, well... I don;t know which logo I want...