IRC Archive for channel #xwiki
Last modified by Vincent Massol on 2012/10/18 19:18
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07:23 <vmassol> good morning
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09:18 <+cjdelisle> sburjan: I thought of you when I saw this, something to bookmark perhaps: http://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/red-in-a-different-light/
09:19 <+sburjan> cjdelisle: thanks :)
09:23 <+sburjan> looks interesting
09:24 <+cjdelisle> I don't know if they taught about RED but it is absolutely critical that it is turned on if you are running a major upstream.
09:25 <+cjdelisle> If you look at the statistics, the isps who really have their houses in order are the ones who drop a tiny percentage of the packets going through them, that is to control TCP.
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09:27 <+sburjan> cjdelisle: they didn't taught, at least not yet. but I don't think they will tell us .. I guess this is a more advanced configuration used in border routers
09:28 <+cjdelisle> be a pain, ask questions :)
09:28 <+sburjan> I will :d
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09:57 <+sburjan> @devs: fyi today I will test trunk
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10:02 <jstoldt|Notebook> good morning :)
10:02 <+cjdelisle> good morning
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10:21 <jstoldt> evalica: hey, could you probably send me the XWiki documents you used for creating the mockup for SyntaxExperiment3?
10:22 <+evalica> jstoldt: I hacked the administration as I told in the email - this means I had 2 more pages with the content that shows in the images
10:24 <jstoldt> yeah i remember but since i didn't have a look into the new admin interface i would like to see what kind of changes are necessary... or did you really just exchange the contents displayed?
10:29 <jstoldt> vmassol: you noticed the patch i posted on jira end of last week tom add the image syntax?
10:29 <vmassol> jstoldt: I can apply it if you give me the jira url again
10:29 <jstoldt> gonna search it, hold on
10:33 <jstoldt> XE-854
10:36 <vmassol> jstoldt: ok will look at it
10:37 <jstoldt> cool :)
10:37 <jstoldt> if you have any comments please let me know and i will change it accordingly
10:37 <vmassol> k, I'll start looking in about 1 hour
10:37 <vmassol> (need to finish something first)
10:38 <jstoldt> no hurry, i'll not reach my destination until 14:00
10:38 <vmassol> train?
10:38 <jstoldt> yep ;)
10:38 <vmassol> nice to have wifi!
10:38 <vmassol> working wifi I mean....
10:39 <jstoldt> nope, HDSAP where possible
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10:44 <vmassol> tunnel!
10:46 <jstoldt|Notebook> nope, just the least inhibited flat part of Germany
10:46 <jstoldt|Notebook> first time i tried using mobile broadband on the tracks here and it worked i was actually quite shocked! X-D
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11:45 <+sburjan> @devs: when renaming a page, AS doesn't record the action. Is it normal ? IMO it should. Because if someone clicks on the old name, it will get the page that states that the page has been deleted.
11:47 <jstoldt> isn't the AS recording it as a delete (old name) and add (new name)?
11:47 <+cjdelisle> something to consider is that on the web you never want to rename a page without providing a "30x page moved" http header in response to requests for the old page
11:48 <jstoldt> yeah, the auto referrer would be very nice, imo
11:49 <+sburjan> jstoldt: it's recording only the delete page event
11:49 <+jvelociter> 30x page moved has nothing to do with activity stream in any case
11:49 <+sburjan> not the created page event. So from AS you can't go to the new page
11:50 <+sburjan> can't even see it was renamed, because only deleted icon appears.
11:50 <jstoldt> i see... well, its been a while since i've actually worked with XWiki now ;)
11:50 <+cjdelisle> yes, it was just something that came to mind
11:50 <+sburjan> IMO it's inconsistent
11:50 <+jvelociter> sburjan: you should check if a JIRA exists and report it if not
11:50 <+jvelociter> we've talked about it already
11:51 <+sburjan> ok, I'm gonna look
11:51 <+jvelociter> having a "page renamed" event
11:51 <jstoldt> to be honest, i don't like the concept of add new, remove old to boot with...
11:51 <jstoldt> it struck me a little odd all the time i used XWiki
11:52 <+sburjan> yes, Raluca reported it
11:53 <jstoldt> not just that but also not putting the old page to removed pages...
11:53 <+sburjan> even if it's not the same scenario
11:54 <+sburjan> gonna report it
11:57 <jstoldt> is sergio going to join soonish?
11:58 <jstoldt> anybody got a clue?
12:03 <vmassol> jstoldt: he'll be here in about 1-2 hours I'd say
12:03 <jstoldt> okay, cool. thakns
12:03 <jstoldt> *thanks
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12:04 <vmassol> jvelociter: are you working on fixing the "enter" keypress for the search? It's a blocker for 3.0 RC1 release IMO
12:05 <+jvelociter> vmassol: yes I will look into it
12:05 <+jvelociter> not before tomorrow though
12:05 <+jvelociter> (but should not take long_
12:05 <+jvelociter> )
12:08 <vmassol> jvelociter: ok
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12:27 <vmassol> tmortagne: what happens if a cache size is reached and one entry needs to be added to the cache (I'm talking about the cache macro for ex)?
12:31 <vmassol> is the old entry removed in this case?
12:31 <vmassol> s/old/oldest/
12:31 <vmassol> or does it generate an excpetion?
12:31 <+tmortagne> it's an eviction rule so it's exactly the same tthing than timing, the oldest entry in the cache will be removed
12:31 <+tmortagne> (not instantly since it's does by the eviction thread)
12:31 <+tmortagne> s/does/done/
12:31 <vmassol> ok
12:31 <vmassol> thanks
12:31 <+tmortagne> s/removed/evicted/
12:33 <vmassol> adding doc for the cache macro (had forgotten to do so....)
12:35 <vmassol> ouch cache macro is not in the list of registered macros....
12:35 <vmassol> fixing this
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12:49 <vmassol> tmortagne: is the rendering cache documented anywhere on xwiki.org?
12:50 <vmassol> I don't see it on http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Configuration
12:50 <vmassol> (which is where I would have expected it to be)
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12:50 <vmassol> I'm adding doc somewhere and wanted to point to it....
12:51 <vmassol> ok adding some quick note there
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12:54 <vmassol> adding to http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances#HRenderingcache too
12:59 <+tmortagne> vmassol: i'm not sure actually, let me search
13:00 <vmassol> I'm almost done tmortagne
13:00 <vmassol> xwiki.org is just real slow
13:00 <+tmortagne> vmassol: ok, i think i forgot to write the doc anyway
13:00 <+tmortagne> yep same for me
13:01 <vmassol> what?
13:01 <+tmortagne> slow
13:01 <vmassol> I get invalid credentials when saving a page now
13:01 <vmassol> well
13:01 <vmassol> Wrapped Exception: No row with the given identifier exists: [com.xpn.xwiki.doc.rcs.XWikiRCSNodeContent#com.xpn.xwiki.doc.rcs.XWikiRCSNodeId@8bc1d2[docId=1940125092,version=24.4]]
13:01 <+tmortagne> vmassol: probably restarted whyle you were editing
13:01 <vmassol> I doubt it
13:01 <vmassol> I've just reedited it
13:01 <vmassol> with same result
13:02 <+tmortagne> did not seen your db error
13:02 <vmassol> same again
13:02 <vmassol> tmortagne: can you try to edit http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances
13:02 <vmassol> and replace Extensions by Extension for the cache macro link
13:03 <vmassol> I don't see why ti would work for you though
13:04 <vmassol> trying to save another page
13:04 <+tmortagne> trying
13:05 <+tmortagne> same error
13:06 <vmassol> I can save other pages
13:07 <+tmortagne> looks like its corrupted then
13:07 <vmassol> goign to remove history but I doubt it'll work
13:07 <vmassol> hmmm
13:07 <vmassol> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances?viewer=history&showminor=true
13:08 <vmassol> not good
13:12 <vmassol> jstoldt: applying patch now
13:12 <jstoldt> cool :)
13:14 <+sburjan> guys, we should have a talk around this http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-6105 before RC1 maybe ?
13:15 <vmassol> done
13:15 <vmassol> thanks!
13:22 <jstoldt> :)
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13:44 <vmassol> tmortagne: worked now....
13:45 <vmassol> some cache issue apparently....
13:45 <vmassol> history is back to correct too:
13:45 <vmassol> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances#History
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13:57 <+tmortagne> vmassol: cool (and not so cool :))
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13:59 <vmassol> tmortagne: build is failing
13:59 <vmassol> testInstallAndUninstallExtension(org.xwiki.extension.jar.JarExtensionHandlerTest): Failed to install extension
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13:59 <+tmortagne> vmassol: rendering cache actually works whatever the syntax, i will modify http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances
13:59 <+tmortagne> vmassol: yes i seen that
13:59 <+tmortagne> but i can't reproduce
13:59 <vmassol> tmortagne: ok thanks for the doc fix
14:00 <vmassol> fails locally
14:00 <+tmortagne> vmassol: anyway i want to refactor the test with a local maven repository so that will fix it at the same time
14:00 <vmassol> Caused by: org.xwiki.extension.ResolveException: Could not find extension [net.sourceforge.htmlcleaner:htmlcleaner-2.1]
14:00 <+tmortagne> yep i seen
14:01 <+tmortagne> but there is not reason for that unless it's not anymore on maven repository
14:01 <vmassol> in any case no tests should access remote resources indeed
14:02 <+tmortagne> yep it was easier that way to test aether at the same time but I will change it for the jar handler tests
14:03 <vmassol> btw I'm now using mvn -rf which is great for this use cae
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14:30 <+mflorea> guys, I'm not sure what prefix to use for the translation keys for the WYSIWYG editor configuration section. I'm looking at ApplicationResources.properties from core and I see "admin.<module>.*" "xe.admin.<module>.*" "<module>.admin.*". What's the right prefix?
14:31 <+tmortagne> i think it's admin.<module>, xe.admin. is wrong since it's not a XE page but admin app page
14:32 <+mflorea> thanks tmortagne
14:33 <+tmortagne> actually there is both "admin.<module>.*" and "<module>.admin.*"
14:34 <+tmortagne> "admin.<module>.*" is using for configurable related things like application name etc...
14:34 <+tmortagne> then <module>.admin.* for custom content in the page itself
14:34 <+tmortagne> that's how i understood it at least
14:34 <+tmortagne> ( mflorea )
14:35 <+mflorea> I saw this too. I'll try to follow it then
14:35 <vmassol> please add a comment mflorea ;)
14:36 <vmassol> for admin.<module> and <module>.admin
14:36 <+mflorea> vmassol: where? You mean for the keys I add, right?
14:36 <vmassol> no I mean for the whole section
14:37 <+mflorea> yes, sure
14:37 <vmassol> basically so that the next person knows what these key represent
14:37 <vmassol> thanks
14:37 <+mflorea> ok
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17:35 <vmassol> lucaa: users are starting to use annotations! yeah…. OTOH http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-861 :)
17:35 <+lucaa> yeeeey!
17:35 <+lucaa> unfortunately this bug should not reproduuuuuce
17:35 <+lucaa> :)
17:35 <+lucaa> lemme reply
17:43 <vmassol> mflorea: that comment is for you ;)
17:44 <+mflorea> vmassol: thanks, looking
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07:23 <vmassol> good morning
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09:18 <+cjdelisle> sburjan: I thought of you when I saw this, something to bookmark perhaps: http://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/red-in-a-different-light/
09:19 <+sburjan> cjdelisle: thanks :)
09:23 <+sburjan> looks interesting
09:24 <+cjdelisle> I don't know if they taught about RED but it is absolutely critical that it is turned on if you are running a major upstream.
09:25 <+cjdelisle> If you look at the statistics, the isps who really have their houses in order are the ones who drop a tiny percentage of the packets going through them, that is to control TCP.
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09:27 <+sburjan> cjdelisle: they didn't taught, at least not yet. but I don't think they will tell us .. I guess this is a more advanced configuration used in border routers
09:28 <+cjdelisle> be a pain, ask questions :)
09:28 <+sburjan> I will :d
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09:57 <+sburjan> @devs: fyi today I will test trunk
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10:02 <jstoldt|Notebook> good morning :)
10:02 <+cjdelisle> good morning
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10:21 <jstoldt> evalica: hey, could you probably send me the XWiki documents you used for creating the mockup for SyntaxExperiment3?
10:22 <+evalica> jstoldt: I hacked the administration as I told in the email - this means I had 2 more pages with the content that shows in the images
10:24 <jstoldt> yeah i remember but since i didn't have a look into the new admin interface i would like to see what kind of changes are necessary... or did you really just exchange the contents displayed?
10:29 <jstoldt> vmassol: you noticed the patch i posted on jira end of last week tom add the image syntax?
10:29 <vmassol> jstoldt: I can apply it if you give me the jira url again
10:29 <jstoldt> gonna search it, hold on
10:33 <jstoldt> XE-854
10:36 <vmassol> jstoldt: ok will look at it
10:37 <jstoldt> cool :)
10:37 <jstoldt> if you have any comments please let me know and i will change it accordingly
10:37 <vmassol> k, I'll start looking in about 1 hour
10:37 <vmassol> (need to finish something first)
10:38 <jstoldt> no hurry, i'll not reach my destination until 14:00
10:38 <vmassol> train?
10:38 <jstoldt> yep ;)
10:38 <vmassol> nice to have wifi!
10:38 <vmassol> working wifi I mean....
10:39 <jstoldt> nope, HDSAP where possible
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10:44 <vmassol> tunnel!
10:46 <jstoldt|Notebook> nope, just the least inhibited flat part of Germany
10:46 <jstoldt|Notebook> first time i tried using mobile broadband on the tracks here and it worked i was actually quite shocked! X-D
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11:45 <+sburjan> @devs: when renaming a page, AS doesn't record the action. Is it normal ? IMO it should. Because if someone clicks on the old name, it will get the page that states that the page has been deleted.
11:47 <jstoldt> isn't the AS recording it as a delete (old name) and add (new name)?
11:47 <+cjdelisle> something to consider is that on the web you never want to rename a page without providing a "30x page moved" http header in response to requests for the old page
11:48 <jstoldt> yeah, the auto referrer would be very nice, imo
11:49 <+sburjan> jstoldt: it's recording only the delete page event
11:49 <+jvelociter> 30x page moved has nothing to do with activity stream in any case
11:49 <+sburjan> not the created page event. So from AS you can't go to the new page
11:50 <+sburjan> can't even see it was renamed, because only deleted icon appears.
11:50 <jstoldt> i see... well, its been a while since i've actually worked with XWiki now ;)
11:50 <+cjdelisle> yes, it was just something that came to mind
11:50 <+sburjan> IMO it's inconsistent
11:50 <+jvelociter> sburjan: you should check if a JIRA exists and report it if not
11:50 <+jvelociter> we've talked about it already
11:51 <+sburjan> ok, I'm gonna look
11:51 <+jvelociter> having a "page renamed" event
11:51 <jstoldt> to be honest, i don't like the concept of add new, remove old to boot with...
11:51 <jstoldt> it struck me a little odd all the time i used XWiki
11:52 <+sburjan> yes, Raluca reported it
11:53 <jstoldt> not just that but also not putting the old page to removed pages...
11:53 <+sburjan> even if it's not the same scenario
11:54 <+sburjan> gonna report it
11:57 <jstoldt> is sergio going to join soonish?
11:58 <jstoldt> anybody got a clue?
12:03 <vmassol> jstoldt: he'll be here in about 1-2 hours I'd say
12:03 <jstoldt> okay, cool. thakns
12:03 <jstoldt> *thanks
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12:04 <vmassol> jvelociter: are you working on fixing the "enter" keypress for the search? It's a blocker for 3.0 RC1 release IMO
12:05 <+jvelociter> vmassol: yes I will look into it
12:05 <+jvelociter> not before tomorrow though
12:05 <+jvelociter> (but should not take long_
12:05 <+jvelociter> )
12:08 <vmassol> jvelociter: ok
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12:27 <vmassol> tmortagne: what happens if a cache size is reached and one entry needs to be added to the cache (I'm talking about the cache macro for ex)?
12:31 <vmassol> is the old entry removed in this case?
12:31 <vmassol> s/old/oldest/
12:31 <vmassol> or does it generate an excpetion?
12:31 <+tmortagne> it's an eviction rule so it's exactly the same tthing than timing, the oldest entry in the cache will be removed
12:31 <+tmortagne> (not instantly since it's does by the eviction thread)
12:31 <+tmortagne> s/does/done/
12:31 <vmassol> ok
12:31 <vmassol> thanks
12:31 <+tmortagne> s/removed/evicted/
12:33 <vmassol> adding doc for the cache macro (had forgotten to do so....)
12:35 <vmassol> ouch cache macro is not in the list of registered macros....
12:35 <vmassol> fixing this
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12:49 <vmassol> tmortagne: is the rendering cache documented anywhere on xwiki.org?
12:50 <vmassol> I don't see it on http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Configuration
12:50 <vmassol> (which is where I would have expected it to be)
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12:50 <vmassol> I'm adding doc somewhere and wanted to point to it....
12:51 <vmassol> ok adding some quick note there
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12:54 <vmassol> adding to http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances#HRenderingcache too
12:59 <+tmortagne> vmassol: i'm not sure actually, let me search
13:00 <vmassol> I'm almost done tmortagne
13:00 <vmassol> xwiki.org is just real slow
13:00 <+tmortagne> vmassol: ok, i think i forgot to write the doc anyway
13:00 <+tmortagne> yep same for me
13:01 <vmassol> what?
13:01 <+tmortagne> slow
13:01 <vmassol> I get invalid credentials when saving a page now
13:01 <vmassol> well
13:01 <vmassol> Wrapped Exception: No row with the given identifier exists: [com.xpn.xwiki.doc.rcs.XWikiRCSNodeContent#com.xpn.xwiki.doc.rcs.XWikiRCSNodeId@8bc1d2[docId=1940125092,version=24.4]]
13:01 <+tmortagne> vmassol: probably restarted whyle you were editing
13:01 <vmassol> I doubt it
13:01 <vmassol> I've just reedited it
13:01 <vmassol> with same result
13:02 <+tmortagne> did not seen your db error
13:02 <vmassol> same again
13:02 <vmassol> tmortagne: can you try to edit http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances
13:02 <vmassol> and replace Extensions by Extension for the cache macro link
13:03 <vmassol> I don't see why ti would work for you though
13:04 <vmassol> trying to save another page
13:04 <+tmortagne> trying
13:05 <+tmortagne> same error
13:06 <vmassol> I can save other pages
13:07 <+tmortagne> looks like its corrupted then
13:07 <vmassol> goign to remove history but I doubt it'll work
13:07 <vmassol> hmmm
13:07 <vmassol> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances?viewer=history&showminor=true
13:08 <vmassol> not good
13:12 <vmassol> jstoldt: applying patch now
13:12 <jstoldt> cool :)
13:14 <+sburjan> guys, we should have a talk around this http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-6105 before RC1 maybe ?
13:15 <vmassol> done
13:15 <vmassol> thanks!
13:22 <jstoldt> :)
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13:44 <vmassol> tmortagne: worked now....
13:45 <vmassol> some cache issue apparently....
13:45 <vmassol> history is back to correct too:
13:45 <vmassol> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances#History
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13:57 <+tmortagne> vmassol: cool (and not so cool :))
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13:59 <vmassol> tmortagne: build is failing
13:59 <vmassol> testInstallAndUninstallExtension(org.xwiki.extension.jar.JarExtensionHandlerTest): Failed to install extension
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13:59 <+tmortagne> vmassol: rendering cache actually works whatever the syntax, i will modify http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Performances
13:59 <+tmortagne> vmassol: yes i seen that
13:59 <+tmortagne> but i can't reproduce
13:59 <vmassol> tmortagne: ok thanks for the doc fix
14:00 <vmassol> fails locally
14:00 <+tmortagne> vmassol: anyway i want to refactor the test with a local maven repository so that will fix it at the same time
14:00 <vmassol> Caused by: org.xwiki.extension.ResolveException: Could not find extension [net.sourceforge.htmlcleaner:htmlcleaner-2.1]
14:00 <+tmortagne> yep i seen
14:01 <+tmortagne> but there is not reason for that unless it's not anymore on maven repository
14:01 <vmassol> in any case no tests should access remote resources indeed
14:02 <+tmortagne> yep it was easier that way to test aether at the same time but I will change it for the jar handler tests
14:03 <vmassol> btw I'm now using mvn -rf which is great for this use cae
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14:30 <+mflorea> guys, I'm not sure what prefix to use for the translation keys for the WYSIWYG editor configuration section. I'm looking at ApplicationResources.properties from core and I see "admin.<module>.*" "xe.admin.<module>.*" "<module>.admin.*". What's the right prefix?
14:31 <+tmortagne> i think it's admin.<module>, xe.admin. is wrong since it's not a XE page but admin app page
14:32 <+mflorea> thanks tmortagne
14:33 <+tmortagne> actually there is both "admin.<module>.*" and "<module>.admin.*"
14:34 <+tmortagne> "admin.<module>.*" is using for configurable related things like application name etc...
14:34 <+tmortagne> then <module>.admin.* for custom content in the page itself
14:34 <+tmortagne> that's how i understood it at least
14:34 <+tmortagne> ( mflorea )
14:35 <+mflorea> I saw this too. I'll try to follow it then
14:35 <vmassol> please add a comment mflorea ;)
14:36 <vmassol> for admin.<module> and <module>.admin
14:36 <+mflorea> vmassol: where? You mean for the keys I add, right?
14:36 <vmassol> no I mean for the whole section
14:37 <+mflorea> yes, sure
14:37 <vmassol> basically so that the next person knows what these key represent
14:37 <vmassol> thanks
14:37 <+mflorea> ok
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17:35 <vmassol> lucaa: users are starting to use annotations! yeah…. OTOH http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-861 :)
17:35 <+lucaa> yeeeey!
17:35 <+lucaa> unfortunately this bug should not reproduuuuuce
17:35 <+lucaa> :)
17:35 <+lucaa> lemme reply
17:43 <vmassol> mflorea: that comment is for you ;)
17:44 <+mflorea> vmassol: thanks, looking
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