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6 08:48 <vmassol> sonar licenses updated!
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9 09:27 <vmassol> one less job failing :)
10 09:29 <vmassol> haha found something for the stackoverflow issue of the quality job, trying it....
11 09:33 <vmassol> done, we'll see during the next job runs if it works or not
12 09:33 <vmassol> (FYI see the "notes" on http://ci.xwiki.org/ where I explained what I added)
13 09:33 <vmassol> (the XX:ThreadStackSize thing)
14 09:35 <vmassol> fixing quality job on 7.4.X branch: [WARNING] Rule violated for bundle XWiki Platform - Legacy - Model: instructions covered ratio is 0.34, but expected minimum is 1.00
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16 09:43 <vmassol> guys rest tests are still failing on master: http://ci.xwiki.org/job/xwiki-enterprise-test-rest/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
17 09:44 <vmassol> there's also some NPE in the logs
18 09:44 <vmassol> for ex http://ci.xwiki.org/job/xwiki-enterprise-test-rest/lastCompletedBuild/org.xwiki.enterprise$xwiki-enterprise-test-rest/testReport/org.xwiki.test.rest/WikisResourceTest/testSolrSearch/
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20 09:57 <vmassol> tmortagne: good morning, I'll need your help to fix the javadoc ^^^^^ (not urgent)
21 09:58 <vmassol> (I made some progress on the javadoc job for platform but I'm stuck on those right now and it's bit difficult for me to fix them)
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24 10:06 <tmortagne> vmassol: E is the type of the entity (BaseClass, BaseObject, XWikiDocument, etc.)
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27 10:10 <vmassol> Enygma`: ^^^^ :) We need to do something about this and have the style we want by default IMO
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29 10:13 <Enygma`> vmassol: you mean about the image macro?
30 10:14 <vmassol> yeah
31 10:14 <vmassol> this has been tickling me for a long time now
32 10:15 <Enygma`> we can control the styling from the sheet
33 10:16 <Enygma`> but the autolink (when the image is resized) needs to come from rendering
34 10:16 <vmassol> there are 2 aspects: 1) having a solution for xwiki.org and 2) having a solution for the product
35 10:16 <vmassol> I think I have a jira issue for the product somewhere
36 10:17 <vmassol> we have something a bit similar here: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-7603#
37 10:18 <vmassol> actually XWIKI-7602
38 10:18 <vmassol> closing 7603 as dup
39 10:20 <Enygma`> vmassol: what does captioning have to do with image boarder and autolink?
40 10:21 <Enygma`> (which are the current 2 features and reasons why we use the image macro on xwiki.org)
41 10:21 <vmassol> Enygma`: basically the person who created this issue wanted the same look at wikipedia
42 10:21 <vmassol> and this includes border
43 10:22 <vmassol> and the solution to also add caption is most likely similar to the one to add border
44 10:22 <vmassol> either a macro or some parameters
45 10:22 <vmassol> note that the issue with parameter is that it's too complex and lengthy to use
46 10:22 <vmassol> (lenghty and complex)
47 10:23 <vmassol> for xwiki.org for ex we want it by default
48 10:23 <Enygma`> [[image:test.png|caption="My caption"]]
49 10:23 <vmassol> so it could be the notion of default parameters configured in the admin for ex
50 10:23 <Enygma`> or "title"
51 10:23 <vmassol> or macro
52 10:24 <Enygma`> I don`t really see this as something coming from a macro
53 10:24 <vmassol> basically there are 3 characteristics we would need: caption, border and resize
54 10:25 <vmassol> could be a style parameter maybe
55 10:25 <tmortagne> depends what is the goal, there is a looot more stuff in mediawiki images :)
56 10:25 <vmassol> [[image:test.png|style=small]] which would do both border + resize to a fixed small size
57 10:26 <vmassol> with a confiurable style in the admin
58 10:26 <vmassol> on xwiki.org we hve defined 3-4 styles
59 10:26 <vmassol> 4
60 10:26 <vmassol> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DocGuide#HScreenshots2FImages
61 10:26 <Enygma`> we can already control the size through the width & height parameters (that also accept percentages)
62 10:27 <vmassol> yes but odon't understand
63 10:27 <Enygma`> we just need to add a title and a link parameter
64 10:27 <vmassol> the goal is to be 1) simple and 2) consistent throughout the site
65 10:27 <vmassol> if you leave it to the user you get 1000 different styles
66 10:27 <Enygma`> if you add a macro, nobody will use it
67 10:28 <Enygma`> they will use the standard, documented syntax
68 10:28 <Enygma`> as best as they can
69 10:28 <vmassol> if you offer 3 parameters to use it's going to be even worse
70 10:28 <vmassol> :)
71 10:28 <Enygma`> we just need good defaults
72 10:28 <vmassol> nobody will us ethe
73 10:28 <vmassol> *use them
74 10:28 <vmassol> or they'll use them with wrong values
75 10:28 <Enygma`> link can be default
76 10:29 <vmassol> that's why I was mentioning defaults but you can't have defaults
77 10:29 <Enygma`> I`m primarily interested in a solution for the product here
78 10:29 <vmassol> because as mentioned already we have 4 valid styles for xwiki.org
79 10:29 <vmassol> and you can imagine that by default we may not want all images to have the same size
80 10:29 <vmassol> border could be a default
81 10:30 <vmassol> linking too could be a default (when the image is resized)
82 10:30 <Enygma`> linking should be done always (IMO, not just when resized)
83 10:30 <vmassol> why would you want to click on an image?
84 10:30 <vmassol> (when it displays the same thing)
85 10:30 <vmassol> your browser already has an action to open the image
86 10:31 <Enygma`> I want all images to be clickable so that they can be opened in a new tab and easily referenced
87 10:31 <Enygma`> I don`t want it to open it in the current tab
88 10:31 <vmassol> your browser already has an action to get the link to an image
89 10:31 <vmassol> the only reason I see for the linking is when the image is resized
90 10:32 <vmassol> or when there's a link to another place ofc
91 10:32 <Enygma`> I like to keep it simple
92 10:32 <Enygma`> I find it more flexible that way
93 10:32 <vmassol> [[[[image:…]]>>...]]
94 10:32 <vmassol> in this case we don't want the autolink btw ;)
95 10:33 <Enygma`> yes, we also introduce this confusion
96 10:33 <Enygma`> users might expect to go somewhere
97 10:37 <evalica> vmassol: what's up with http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/HallOfFame ? I don't appear in any of the categories and also the colors are off + there are very few contributors. Clemens also is missing, etc.
98 10:42 <tmortagne> HallOfFame is outdated since a long time
99 10:42 <vmassol> yes there are issues with the version there I think. I had been working on the next version in github but it's not been fully finished/deployed AFAIR
100 10:42 <vmassol> could be something to do during a hackathon for example ;)
101 10:43 <vmassol> I'll update the page with a wanring for now
102 10:43 <vmassol> I think it can be fixed easily by deleting the scm data in the perm dir to recreate them
103 10:43 <vmassol> but would need some time for this
104 10:48 <gdelhumeau> Hello. Please hold your commits
105 10:48 <gdelhumeau> I need to know if the build is stable
106 10:50 <gdelhumeau> acotiuga: are you finxing http://ci.xwiki.org/job/xwiki-enterprise-test-selenium/ ?
107 10:50 <evalica> gdelhumeau: no - we need help
108 10:50 <acotiuga> no
109 10:50 <gdelhumeau> I've just seen your message on skype
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116 12:04 <gdelhumeau> mflorea: are you ready to commit XWIKI-13528
117 12:05 <mflorea> gdelhumeau: not yet :( I still need a few hours
118 12:06 <gdelhumeau> could it break any test?
119 12:06 <vmassol> yes
120 12:06 <vmassol> :)
121 12:06 <gdelhumeau> by principle :p
122 12:07 <gdelhumeau> then I won't be able to fix them (if it is needed) and to release
123 12:07 <gdelhumeau> so either I release early this afternoon, either someone else do it afterwards
124 12:08 <vmassol> IMO it's going to be too late to reelase today if we wait for it
125 12:08 <vmassol> because we'll need the full build to pass
126 12:08 <vmassol> so we need to decide what to do
127 12:09 <vmassol> I think it would be a pity to not have it for RC
128 12:09 <vmassol> so I'd be in favor of postponing the release to tomorrow if we can't achieve it today
129 12:09 <vmassol> we just need to find a RM
130 12:09 <vmassol> but we need to not postpone more than tomorrow
131 12:09 <vmassol> as we're risking to endanger the final reelase date
132 12:10 <vmassol> next RM on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ReleasePlans/ is Caty and then Marius
133 12:10 <mflorea> I will do the release as I'm the one delaying it
134 12:10 <vmassol> ok cool
135 12:10 <vmassol> so if we succeed today, GD does it and if not Marius
136 12:10 <vmassol> ok?
137 12:10 <mflorea> yes
138 12:11 <Signum> Is there a way to use XWiki like a database? Confluence offers a way to add fields to each page (e.g. in a table) and then display a list of pages and selected fields from subpages. I'd like to create an inventory of stuff and put each item on a page.
139 12:12 <Signum> Similar to the "References" project. But I'd like to avoid coding. Just use what's available in xwiki.
140 12:12 <gdelhumeau> Signum: it's the main advantage of XWiki actually :)
141 12:13 <gdelhumeau> you should try http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/App+Within+Minutes+Application
142 12:13 <Signum> gdelhumeau: Uh, nice. How come I missed that? Thanks.
143 12:14 <vmassol> for a general concept see also http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/SecondGenerationWiki
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159 13:26 <gdelhumeau> http://ci.xwiki.org/job/xwiki-platform_javadoc/ is broken
160 13:27 <vmassol> gdelhumeau: that'es normal
161 13:27 <vmassol> it's a work in progress
162 13:36 <tmortagne> gdelhumeau: always been broken :)
163 13:36 <vmassol> btw tmortagne did you see my message of this morning on irc about it?
164 13:37 <tmortagne> vmassol: I answered you
165 13:37 <vmassol> haha
166 13:37 <tmortagne> don't have new bugs to fix right now for MediaWiki so I will take care of it
167 13:38 <vmassol> so I missed the answer :)
168 13:38 <vmassol> ok cool thx
169 13:55 <mflorea> vmassol: I have a bit of a problem. I need to commit the configuration for the default WYSIWYG editor. It should be either in xwiki.properties or XWikiPreferences but since the value is going to be ckeditor it can't be committed in platform, which is not aware of the CKEditor (as we decided to have he dep in XE).
170 13:55 <mflorea> so it needs to be committed on XE, but this would mean overwriting xwiki.properties or XWikiPreferences in XE
171 13:57 <vmassol> since we have default values for all properties
172 13:58 <vmassol> this is just about documenting the properties for the user
173 13:58 <vmassol> so indeed we would need overwriting in XE
174 13:58 <mflorea> it doesn't apply in this case, because the platform code that defines the configuration option doesn't know about ckeditor
175 13:58 <vmassol> I don't remember exazctly where we generate the file
176 13:58 <vmassol> but we have an extra config property
177 13:59 <vmassol> $!xwikiPropertiesAdditionalProperties
178 13:59 <vmassol> (in the build)
179 13:59 <mflorea> indeed
180 13:59 <mflorea> we use it for tests
181 13:59 <vmassol> got to go now (eval meeting), bb later but maybe others (thomas?) can help?
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183 14:13 <tmortagne> mflorea: for me it's just about documenting this property and make the value configurable at build time like we do for several already (like we should probably do for all actually at some point)
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185 14:51 <mflorea> tmortagne: but ckeditor should be the default editor in 8.2 and for this it needs to be explicitly configured. Having "ckeditor" as the default value doesn't work because the configuration source is in platform, which doesn't know about ckeditor. So XE must configure ckeditor explicitly
186 14:52 <tmortagne> mflorea: and that's exactly what I said
187 14:52 <tmortagne> XE would set it at build time
188 14:52 <tmortagne> same as various other properties
189 14:52 <mflorea> ok, good
190 14:52 <tmortagne> but it should be an actual property, documented and with a placeholder
191 14:52 <tmortagne> XE should not use $!xwikiPropertiesAdditionalProperties
192 14:53 <mflorea> you mean a POM property?
193 14:54 <tmortagne> I means same as https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/master/xwiki-platform-tools/xwiki-platform-tool-configuration-resources/src/main/resources/xwiki.properties.vm#L87
194 14:54 <mflorea> ok
195 14:54 <tmortagne> and then in XE you set a Maven property which is then used at platform level to generate the xwiki.properties file
196 14:54 <mflorea> thanks, I'll do the same
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198 14:56 <gdelhumeau> we were supposed to not commit
199 14:59 <ClemensR> edvorg: you got mail ;)
200 15:01 <gdelhumeau> mflorea: so you will commit it today?
201 15:03 <mflorea> I'm trying, but I can't tell for sure
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203 15:10 <lucaa> hello xwikiers
204 15:10 <lucaa> I have made a fix for the issue http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13544
205 15:11 <lucaa> and I would like to also put it on some older versions (I would need it on the stable-7.4.x for example)
206 15:11 <lucaa> but I don't know exactly what is the rule, what other branch I should merge it on, besides master and this stable-7.4
207 15:12 <lucaa> any of the 8.x branches?
208 15:12 <lucaa> from what I understand from here http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Download/ , I guess this would be 8.1 as well
209 15:12 <lucaa> please confirm
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211 15:15 <gdelhumeau> stable-8.1.x and stable-7.4.x
212 15:15 <gdelhumeau> but please don't commit anymore on master
213 15:15 <gdelhumeau> we are supposed to release
214 15:22 <lucaa> oh, sorry for this
215 15:22 <lucaa> I already committed :(
216 15:29 <tmortagne> lucaa: no need to cherry pick in stable-8.1.x since we are not going to release a 8.1.1 given the release date of 8.2 final
217 15:30 <tmortagne> (but yes usually you would put it in 8.1.x and 7.4.x)
218 15:30 <lucaa> well, I guess, but since I don';t know the release plan I'm putting everywhere :)
219 15:31 <tmortagne> as you want
220 15:34 <lucaa> gdelhumeau: I closed XWIKI-13544 since I just pushed all the fixes for it, and I marked it resolved in 8.2-rc-1 , as I assume this is what is being released and I also assumed my commit on master was included in the release
221 15:34 <lucaa> lemme know if it's not the case, I will change the fix version
222 15:35 <gdelhumeau> that's ok
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229 17:39 <vmassol> I'm curious aobut "Various tools and helpers for teams of people" :)
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231 17:49 <gdelhumeau> platform still not built :(
232 17:49 <gdelhumeau> on ci
233 17:54 <tmortagne> vmassol: you will have to wait longer than I tough, github commit application is totally unusable
234 17:57 <vmassol> so it's something about saving wiki pages to SCM
235 17:57 <vmassol> (SCM = github)
236 17:59 <tmortagne> no
237 17:59 <tmortagne> I wanted to use github application to commit it
238 17:59 <vmassol> ah
239 18:00 <vmassol> you're adventurous :)
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248 20:35 <boubou> [14:32:53] <boubou> :(
249 20:35 <boubou> [14:34:28] <boubou> http://pastebin.com/5vEYQXTF
250 20:36 <boubou> what can cause that ?
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