IRC Archive for channel #xwiki on 27 February 2017

Last modified by Vincent Massol on 2017/02/27 22:29

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10:33 <vmassol> good morning everyone
10:33 <vmassol> who you all had a nice week end!
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10:52 <Enygma`> `morning
10:52 <Enygma`> thanks, hope yours was good too :)
10:54 <Enygma`> vmassol: I don`t remember now, but looking at I see we`re missing some documentation
10:54 <Enygma`> like the NS fallback mechanisms and the spaceRedirect parameter
10:54 <Enygma`> was editing now, but wanted to ask in case we have it somewhere else
10:55 <vmassol> indeed this was probably forgotten (but that's strange since I usually document sutff ;))
10:55 <vmassol> let me do a quick search
10:55 <vmassol> indeed I cannot find it
10:56 <vmassol> go ahead! :) and thanks
11:26 <Enygma`> vmassol: please add anything missing
11:26 <vmassol> checking thxs
11:29 <vmassol> seems good Enygma
11:29 <vmassol> maybe a small improvement would be to use somthing else than Space1 and Space2
11:30 <vmassol> like Item1 and Item2 or Name1 and Name2
11:30 <Enygma`> or Page1.Page2
11:30 <vmassol> since they can either represent pages or spaces dpeending on the context
11:30 <vmassol> yes or Page1 and Page2
11:30 <vmassol> if we want to not show the concept of spaces
11:30 <Enygma`> if talking about NP
11:30 <vmassol> the rest of the doc talks about spaces though
11:31 <Enygma`> hinting to the view action in
11:31 <vmassol> but I'm fine with any name
11:31 <vmassol> just that space1 space2 don't seem the best choice (I know it was me who put it probably ;))
11:31 <Enygma`> yeah, would be a bit too much of a change to do for the entire doc maybe
11:31 <vmassol> thanks for the hint
11:32 <Enygma`> for the FAQ entry, I feel that pointing to the URL format might be a bit too abstract/technical
11:33 <vmassol> probably, OTOH it gives the full answer
11:34 <vmassol> I don't fully visualize how hard it is to understand it for a newvie
11:34 <Enygma`> :) that`s probably the problem I fear :)
11:34 <Enygma`> but I would also not want to duplicate things
11:34 <vmassol> *newbie
11:34 <Enygma`> well, I imagine a newbi wants to hear "replace / with ." and you`re generally set
11:34 <vmassol> well the right solution is what is mentioned in the FAQ
11:35 <vmassol> ie what Ance was working on
11:35 <vmassol> ie
11:35 <Enygma`> maybe we should have this general practice mentioned and then say, for the full details and edge cases, see the URL format specification
11:35 <vmassol> lucaa: any idea if you'll be to finish this ? :)
11:35 <Enygma`> since some might want to avoid that technical doc
11:36 <vmassol> s/if/when
11:41 <vmassol> guys we have  aproblem on playground
11:41 <vmassol> users are not able to edit pages on the wiki
11:41 <vmassol> hwoever the permissions seem ok to me
11:41 <vmassol> Denis1: hi
11:43 <vmassol> going to install
11:45 <vmassol> seem ok:
11:46 <vmassol> hmm it works now
11:46 <vmassol> evalica: works now....
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11:46 <vmassol> maybe runing this script has indirectly flushed some stuff
11:47 <evalica> vmassol: I will test tomorrow to see if the problem persist - thank you
11:47 <vmassol> evalica: BTW we may need to hide those:
11:47 <vmassol> (there are 2 apps visible now)
11:48 <vmassol> ok
11:49 <vmassol> we hid the tour and I think we should hide those as well. In general we should hide the apps we provide and leave it empty for users to have their own apps in there and not touch the default apps
11:49 <evalica> vmassol: the apps are from Demo Content - the idea was to be visible since they are not technical, but the user should see/use them
11:50 <vmassol> I know they are from demo content
11:50 <vmassol> A user may not go throught he help cetner
11:50 <vmassol> and may go to AWM
11:51 <vmassol> do you think he'll understand and delete them ?
11:51 <vmassol> because if I'm installing xwiki for my need
11:51 <vmassol> (as a user-
11:51 <vmassol> )
11:52 <vmassol> I certanly don't want to see those apps
11:52 <vmassol> they're only interesting for the evaluator persona
11:52 <evalica> I'll talk with mflorea and see what we can do
11:52 <vmassol> can users delete them?
11:52 <vmassol> ok thx
11:52 <evalica> thx
11:53 <vmassol> (ie have permissions to delete them)
11:53 <vmassol> the last author should also be modified BTW
11:53 <vmassol> normally all apps that we bundle have the Admin user
11:53 <evalica> yeap - normally - in this case I imported them as XAR (because of the version differences 8.2.1 - 8.4)
11:54 <vmassol> (this is even chcked by the build )
11:54 <vmassol> ah yes
11:54 <vmassol> makes sense then
12:01 <mflorea> vmassol: those apps are hidden by default, see but they become visible when they are edited. It just means that someone edited the apps on playground.
12:01 <mflorea> (there's no UIExtension object on the app home page to put the icon on the app bar)
12:01 <mflorea> I removed the UIX object explicitly for this
12:02 <vmassol> Caty has imported them as XAR
12:02 <mflorea> but the object is added back when you edit the app
12:02 <vmassol> is thay why they're visible in the AWM LT?
12:02 <vmassol> I don't see anyone else who has edited them
12:03 <mflorea> they are AWM apps so yes, they are visible on the AWM LT. I was referring to the app bar, not to he livetable
12:03 <vmassol>|t=alldocs&p=1&l=15&
12:03 <vmassol> ok I was only talking about AWM LT
12:03 <mflorea> then I don't agree with you
12:03 <vmassol> they're only for the evaluator person
12:03 <vmassol> Persona
12:03 <vmassol> and they should not leak to the other persona
12:03 <mflorea> they should be visible on the AWM live table because they are demo content
12:03 <vmassol> no
12:03 <vmassol> only for the eval persona
12:04 <mflorea> same as the BlogIntroduction is visible on the blog
12:04 <vmassol> yes that too
12:04 <vmassol> but
12:04 <vmassol> for the blog post it's easy to delete it
12:04 <vmassol> is it the same for those apps? who can delete them?
12:04 <vmassol> (that was the question I asked above)
12:05 <vmassol> basically we need to make it clear to users
12:05 <vmassol> - when content is demo content
12:05 <mflorea> any admin can delete them, there are no special right set on them
12:05 <vmassol> - with instructions on how to remove them easily
12:05 <mflorea> but they are part of the help center app
12:05 <vmassol> the home page can also be considered demo content btw
12:06 <mflorea> and the idea is that you remove the demo content app, not delete just some of its pages
12:06 <vmassol> I don't fully agree with this
12:06 <vmassol> if I'm an admin
12:06 <vmassol> I'd like to keep the help center for my users
12:06 <vmassol> but I don't want demo content to leak into the wiki
12:06 <mflorea> those app are part of the help center
12:07 <vmassol> yes that's why theys hould be contained th'ere
12:07 <vmassol> and not leak
12:07 <vmassol> the help center is useful
12:07 <vmassol> and in most cases I'll expect admins to keep it
12:07 <vmassol> since that's documentation
12:07 <vmassol> however when you start using your wiki for real
12:08 <vmassol> you don't want to see demo content in standard places
12:08 <mflorea> again, those apps are part of the help center, if the help center is useful then those apps are useful too
12:08 <mflorea> otherwise we wouldn't include them in the help center
12:08 <vmassol> grr
12:08 <vmassol> you don't want to understand so I'm repeart it once more
12:09 <vmassol> the help center is usefu for users who want to go there and learn about it
12:09 <vmassol> those apps showing up in the AWM LT when you use your wiki for real is bad
12:09 <mflorea> I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree
12:10 <vmassol> ok then we'll need other opinion since I don't see how someone cannot agree with what I said :)
12:10 <mflorea> for me it's confusing to see the app in the help center and not in the AWM live table
12:10 <vmassol> it seems so obvioius to me
12:10 <vmassol> I'm not saying thaty
12:10 <vmassol> I'm saying that it's ok for the eval persona but not after, when you start using your wiki for real
12:11 <vmassol> and when you do so you don't want tor emove the help enter
12:11 <vmassol> *center
12:11 <vmassol> but you do want to remove the demo content that is in standard places
12:11 <vmassol> the demo content that is located in the Help space is ok tough
12:11 <vmassol> since it's contained and not showing up in standard places
12:11 <mflorea> when you're using the wiki for real you still go to the help center and you still see those apps there and so you still wonder why aren't those apps listed in the AWM live table is they are AWM apps
12:12 <vmassol> I'm not giving your the answer marius
12:13 <vmassol> :)
12:13 <vmassol> I'm telling you the problem
12:13 <mflorea> and I don't agree it's a problem
12:13 <vmassol> what is not a problem? showing those apps even when you start using your wiki for real?
12:14 <mflorea> those apps are located in the help center space, but the AWM live table looks everywhere. I can of course hide the home page of these apps to hide them from the AWM live table but I don't agree with this
12:14 <vmassol> again this would be one solution and I didn't even menton it
12:14 <vmassol> you did it
12:14 <vmassol> I've not provided an answer!
12:15 <vmassol> first I want to raise the problem and that we agree there's something to improve
12:15 <vmassol> so "showing those apps even when you start using your wiki for real is ok for you?"?
12:16 <mflorea> I mentioned it just to show you that I understand what you say but again I don't agree with you. To be clear: I don't think it's a problem that these apps appear in the AWM LT when you start using your wiki for real
12:16 <vmassol> becauze if the answer is that admins should remove the help center to have those apps diappear then it's not a good solutoin
12:16 <mflorea> I don't think admins have to remove these apps, because I don't think listing the apps in the AWM live table is a problem
12:17 <vmassol> ok so you agree that our answer is that the admin is expected to remove those apps one by one if he doesn't want to see them but still keep the Help center?
12:17 <vmassol> wow
12:17 <vmassol> I don't believe you
12:17 <vmassol> :)
12:17 <vmassol> I'd like to see your own wioki
12:17 <vmassol> wiki
12:17 <vmassol> that contains demo content mixed with real content
12:18 <vmassol> I can bet you'll have removed the demo content
12:18 <vmassol> (knowing you)
12:18 <mflorea> I need to go to lunch.
12:18 <vmassol> I can bet you'll have changed the home page and that you'll have remove the first blog post too
12:19 <vmassol> ok good lunch!
12:19 <vmassol> let's see what others tihink too, that helps
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13:12 <evalica> vmassol: just a new mention about the Playground. Now the Homepage is also editable.
13:13 <vmassol> yes this is known
13:13 <vmassol> and why I've modified the permissions on playgroundtemplate
13:14 <vmassol> I could fix this now
13:14 <vmassol> but it means deleteting and recrearting playground
13:14 <vmassol> and thus probably a crash of
13:14 <vmassol> so first step would be to upgrade to 8.4.4
13:14 <vmassol> and I'm working on organizting this xwiki sas infra
13:15 <vmassol> s/this/this with
13:16 <evalica> k - thank you
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13:44 <Aison> hello
13:44 <Aison> I tried to use the office server (libreoffice), but when I try to show a document, I get the error
13:45 <Aison> Failed to execute the office macro: unsupported URL: type detection failed
13:45 <Aison> it's an ubuntu server. What do I need for type detection?
13:48 <vmassol> hi Aison
13:48 <vmassol> you're trying to use right?
13:57 <Aison> well, all what I did is: I enabled the office server in the settings and I using the filemanager extension.
13:57 <Aison> on my testmachine it works, the exact same xwiki copy on my productive machine fails
13:59 <Aison> so I don't use the office macro directly in my wiki page. I guess the file manager extension is using it to show the content of a file?!?
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14:45 <Enygma`> gdelhumeau: answered, but not very helpfully
14:45 <gdelhumeau> thx for the answer, anyway
14:46 <gdelhumeau> currently playing with hibernate
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16:21 <gdelhumeau> vmassol: it seems you are the release manager for 9.1
16:22 <vmassol> hmm indeed
16:22 <vmassol> checking dae
16:22 <vmassol> *date
16:22 <vmassol> wow, it's today!
16:22 <vmassol> grrr I missed it
16:23 <vmassol> ah yes that's because there's only 1 week between RC and final so it's short
16:23 <vmassol> ok so let me start to review the ci
16:23 <vmassol> (dropping now what I was working on)
16:32 <vmassol> ah yes we still need to fix the bug introduced in the build by thomas
16:32 <vmassol> enteprrise has not been able to build for a week now :(
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16:36 <vmassol> fixing mail test... my bad
16:53 <vmassol> actually we're pretty good on the CI for the 9.x branch
16:53 <vmassol> so I'm going to start the maven release , please hold your commits
17:00 <vmassol> guys we have a problem for
17:01 <vmassol> it's open but has commits
17:02 <vmassol> hmm seems it was committed on master
17:04 <vmassol> hmm no
17:04 <vmassol> it's also on the 9.1.x branch
17:04 <vmassol> I could revert it but I don't know if it'll have any consequence on other issues committed
17:05 <gdelhumeau> github indicates it's already on 9.1-rc-1:
17:05 <gdelhumeau> so it is probably a leftover
17:06 <gdelhumeau> which should have been close for 9.1-rc-1
17:07 <gdelhumeau> yes 9.1-rc-1 has this commit too:
17:07 <gdelhumeau> so IMO close it with 9.1-rc-1 as fix version
17:07 <gdelhumeau> if you are really in doubt maybe call thomas
17:08 <vmassol> good idea, I'll send him a text message
17:19 <vmassol> ok I'll consider it's finished since it's not causing any breakage in the build
17:19 <vmassol> we'll need thomas to update the RN when he's back though
17:30 <vmassol> gdelhumeau: you did the 9.1RC1 release?
17:31 <vmassol> there's a problem with the filter used for
17:31 <gdelhumeau> no I didnot
17:31 <vmassol> it's not shared apparently
17:31 <gdelhumeau> I think it was Thomas
17:31 <vmassol> haha
17:31 <gdelhumeau> yes it was Thomas
17:34 <vmassol> so it seems there was no new issue done for 9.1 compared to 9.1RC1
17:42 <vmassol> 3 bugs fixed whencompared to 9.1RC1:
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19:12 <warrior> is this the first time xwiki is selected for gsoc ?
19:13 <vmassol> grr.... 1 hour+ to get the translatios
19:13 <vmassol> to find that there's no new translation....
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19:41 <vinitjain> hey
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